Glamour Magazine allows transwoman to redefine feminism

More than that, we have to let him take over the direction of women's rights and tell us what issues we're allowed to be concerned about and what we're allowed to be comfortable with.

Maybe Glamour should team up with MN? They seem to be in the same page...

Thats a bit unfair, MN is one of the few places these issues can actually be discussed. And if the recent influx of mermaids members are to be belied, mermaids are breathing down MNHQs neck also. I imagine they also get a shitload of abuse from transactivists too.

it is outrageous that this is not even up for discussion on so many sites and in real life.
A man puts on a dress and lipstick and starts doing campy stuff with his hands and we are not supposed to mention the fact that he is actually a man....just WTAF?

The space to discuss this is incredibly valuable, given that it's not permitted on many other mainstream sites and being accused of transphobia would get your post deleted or you banned. That's down to MNHQ.

I like Dave.

'It is a funny sort of a feminism that would place already vulnerable women in danger.'

I was gobsmacked at that line. So Juno is not in favour of women being locked up with penis-bearing rapists then?
No, hang on a minute, they must be, because if we say we're not that makes us TERFs and Juno thinks TERFs are awful.

"Sadly, there are probably women reading this right now who are like ... If it's got a penis, it's a bloke."

Yes, funny that...

Yes, that is exactly what he is saying. I am almost speechless at that article!

My fave line is: "Sadly, there are probably women reading this right now who are like ... If it's got a penis, it's a bloke."

Indeed thank you.
I have noticed this debate being shut down with cries of 'transphobia' in a few places now. Even in my children's school.

Thanks HQ

MNHQ must get an almost constant stream of shit for it.

Empress I agree. MNHQ generally allow discussion from people on all sides of this debate to stand, and that's rather a precious thing at the moment.

To be fair, MN is one of the few remaining places on the web that we can actually talk like this. And I'm sure HQ get shit for it.

It was a thread on here after Germaine Greer spoke out on Newsnight that brought my attention to trans issues and the conflict with biological women's rights and feminism. I am very grateful to MN for allowing debate on here, especially if they are copping aggro for it.

Maybe Glamour should team up with MN? They seem to be in the same page...

To be fair, MN is one of the few remaining places on the web that we can actually talk like this. And I'm sure HQ get shit for it.

Juno apparently is attracted to men. Perhaps he could spend his time telling straight men they should accept his female penis rather than telling women how to do feminism.

Good comment Fox

I don't really buy women's magazines these days, but the last one I probably bought was Glamour (cos it comes in that mini size - or did at the time if it doesn't now) - I guess I'll head back to Marie Claire when the very occasional urge hits me, because they tend to have interesting articles at least.

I would like to confess I have never read The Female Eunuch. I have bought it, and will be rectifying that terrible omission soon (I normally read SF, not anything.. well.. real-life).

How poorly does this bloke come off compared with David Wong mentioned in the Cracked thread! Such a total lack of self-awareness. You'd have hoped that if you were becoming trans you'd have had to go through enough councilling to have a bit of a better grip wouldn't you?

Maybe Glamour should team up with MN? They seem to be in the same page...

Well the new feminism looks lovely. Women carefully bending over backwards and fucking themselves over to make literally everyone else happy but themselves, but ESPECIALLY men.
I have such lovely feminist friends who then come out with this trans shit and I'm like.... Really? It's pretty fucking hard to come out against this stuff publicly now as well, as you just get accused of being a bigot / transphobe / LITERALLY CAUSONG VIOLENCE AGAINST TRANS WOMEN.
I have a son and a daughter and I honestly can't BELEIVE this is the shit they are going to grow up with society telling them it's normal.

I've written direct to Glamour and Conde Naste. I've bought the magazine since it's launch and feel like I grew up with it at the same time it grew up with me.

I have a tween DD who has recently started dipping into it. No more.

Perhaps he could spend his time telling straight men they should accept his female penis rather than telling women how to do feminism.

Yes the day this shit is forced onto men is when it truly will be over.

I can't see it ever being forced onto men though..much easier to blame women

This article actually made me angry. The comments were fantastic except the few expected 'terfs shitfaces' and whatever.

Am I wrong to be slightly hopeful that more will start waking up to the bullshit the more mainstream this gets? This article could well lead to those who were ignorant of it all searching 'terf' and such. I mean, thats what put me into my current position. My search term was 'cotton ceiling' that I read on one of the Ada Wells threads...and then it went from there.

Oh the charming and erudite Jayne Pea? He really is a treat.

But then who can fault his logic? You disagree with trans ideology? You're a shit heel - there is just no arguing with such well thought through counter arguments is there?

Juno's writing is reminiscent of Adrian Mole 13 3/4, but without the nuance and irony.

" that Jayne Pea person "

is that the one that says we are 'shitheels'?
I also had a look at his facebook page and he doesnt look that well himself, tbh.

I can't believe that "having a penis makes you man" is now an extremeist view!

I posted a comment to that Jayne Pea person, who decided to link me to my own page. Cherry then pointed out that he was suggesting that because I'm honest about my mental health my argument must be irrelevant. What an absolute bellend.

I'm not radical either. I'm just a F thanks.