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Glamour Magazine allows transwoman to redefine feminism

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MrsJamin · 04/11/2016 15:50

Call yourself a feminist? Our transgender columnist Juno Dawson's here to see if you really pass the test

And calls women who don't "TERFs". Thanks, Glamour and Jo Elvin, thanks a lot.

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Geretrude · 06/11/2016 09:54

It's interesting that Juno Dawson feels perfectly qualified to tell 'cis' women what to do and how to behave but we are not allowed to venture an opinion back.

It's not a dialogue, it's mansplaining in mascara.

Stuffofawesome · 06/11/2016 09:34
Shock
Fairyflaps · 06/11/2016 09:33

Is that a bloke? He is also demanding to know how a woman knows her biology!
The term they would use is CAMAB - coercively assigned male at birth, so born male.

M0stlyHet · 06/11/2016 09:33

Yes, the "how do you know your biology?" comment was pretty jaw dropping. Lots of good responses though.

JedRambosteen · 06/11/2016 09:31
Shock
ageingrunner · 06/11/2016 09:28

Just saw this on twitter

Glamour Magazine allows transwoman to redefine feminism
MaisieDotes · 06/11/2016 09:11

IndominusRex the comments are worth reading. Other posters have been able to see them by using a different browser, I'm on Safari and I think IE is also good.

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 06/11/2016 09:10

The irony is that the David bloke who's being mouthed off at actually understands it all far better than the poster who's having a go at him.

CharlieSierra · 06/11/2016 08:45

And in the comments on the article we have a man with a female name browbeating another man for being a man
"erm, david, is femalehood really a topic you should be shouting your mouth off about being as how you're a man?
It gets more and more surreal

Is that a bloke? He is also demanding to know how a woman knows her biology!

IndominusRex · 06/11/2016 08:30

I can't see the comments on that article but heartened by the consensus that they're good.

IndominusRex · 06/11/2016 08:27

"I've studied authoritarianism for a very long time - for 40 years - and they're started by people's attempts to control the ideological and linguistic territory,"

From this article www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37875695?ocid=socialflow_twitter

I'm really surprised about Glamour. They seem to have wanted to 'get' feminism lately even if they've been pretty wide of the mark at times. This just proves they don't give a shit. And I've followed Kat on Twitter for years and she always seemed nice and sensible so I'm shocked at her response to this.

Datun · 06/11/2016 08:15

And the poster he posted it to clearly had no idea who Greer was. On a women's magazine site. About feminism. For women.

Just saying.

shins · 06/11/2016 08:09

Fairyflaps yes, that's the guy who was quoting Germaine Greer, hilarious! But we all know Greer is a witch who should be burnt at the stake for her demented insistence that men aren't women.

shins · 06/11/2016 08:01

Ooh I see someone copied and pasted my Female Eunuch quote into the comments, a man no less! (I know he lifted it from here because of the formatting). Well that's good. Glamour magazine needs more Greer quotes scattered around and less brainless mansplaining.

Datun · 05/11/2016 23:44

Surreal and breathtaking.

Datun · 05/11/2016 23:44

And a transwoman saying they were forced into their feminine gender role resulting in them being 'in the grip of feminity and so 'The bottom line is anyone who is oppresed by gender and is subordinated to men is a woman and needs feminism'.

Fairyflaps · 05/11/2016 22:58

And in the comments on the article we have a man with a female name browbeating another man for being a man.
"erm, david, is femalehood really a topic you should be shouting your mouth off about being as how you're a man?"
It gets more and more surreal.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 05/11/2016 22:11

The man is a man is a man....is he so simple that he actually needs people to explain to him he is a man? What on earth happened to him that he is SO in denial of his own biology?

Datun · 05/11/2016 22:08

I wonder just how much aggro MNHQ do get - and whether the nature of it is rather eye opening. I wouldn't mind betting it rather strengthens their resolve to keep the debate uncensored.

DeviTheGaelet · 05/11/2016 22:00

statistically very astute post. Exactly what that article was like!

MrsJamin · 05/11/2016 21:24

Oh the irony that James Dawson wrote a book called "Being A Boy" just three years ago. I wonder if Juno will now write the follow up "Being A Woman"?

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StatisticallyChallenged · 05/11/2016 21:19

My industry takes on fresh grads each year, and occasionally you get one who comes in, has been doing the job 5 minutes and tries to tell all the experienced and qualified people that they're doing it wrong.

That's Juno. They've been "living as a woman" for a year, going by pictures they don't remotely pass and so they will not be experiencing any of the discrimination or sexism that women face on a day to day basis. They may be experiencing discrimination as a result of being trans, but that is not the same as sexist discrimination. Yet they see fit to lecture people who have decades of experience of being women and feminists.

YouHadMeAtCake · 05/11/2016 21:13

bratpony I am clapping your posts. Spot on.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 05/11/2016 20:56

I have a theory that in 100 years it's going to look as privileged and ridiculous as white Victorians holding forth about the natives, or wealthy Edwardians telling the poor how they ought to live.
This is going to be a prime example of male privilege in the early 21st century and people are going to be open-mouthed that magazines for women actually printed this stuff.

BratFarrarsPony · 05/11/2016 20:51

you couldnt make it up.
A person with a penis telling us how to be good feminists!

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