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Happy to be women today in the UK

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mrsmuddlepies · 04/11/2016 04:58

I posted about this on the Chat forum but no one responded and I think it is a significant piece of research.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37600771
The level of satisfaction with being a woman in the UK today is higher than it has ever been, a huge increase on that of 50 years ago and much higher than that of male satisfaction with being men today.
A cause for celebration?

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scallopsrgreat · 04/11/2016 09:53

Its not a more equal society in the UK if men are not being allowed to share maternity leave (recent report showed that most women are reluctant to share because they want to spend time with their children). Well I don't think the answer is to force women away from their children. And nor do I think it's wrong for women to want to be with their children. There are other solutions than having to share maternity leave - such as men having their own substantial parental leave.

I also think it is disingenuous to suggest that the reason that inequality in the workplace has occurred is because women don't want to leave their children. There are so many other factors.

Iknowthisgirlcanx100 · 04/11/2016 09:48

I think it is being recognised in schools and some of the caring professions that young and middle aged men struggle to cope with the demands made on them by a society that still has very gender stereotypical attitudes to work and parenting.

Iknowthisgirlcanx100 · 04/11/2016 09:44

Its not a more equal society in the UK if men are not being allowed to share maternity leave (recent report showed that most women are reluctant to share because they want to spend time with their children).
Its not an equal society if we still expect the majority of men to be the main breadwinners (the YouGov survey shows how many men hate being forced into this role.
We will never have an equal society if you only look at the problems from one perspective.

scallopsrgreat · 04/11/2016 09:44

Because it is only true for a certain age range. Not for all men. It is inaccurate to say that.

I am not saying that this isn't an issue btw.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 04/11/2016 09:43

It's good to step back, take a breath and see that progress has been made.
So many posts on here about "we have gone backwards" and I think it's not true at all. There may be some "2 steps forward, one back" but surely things aren't as bad as 50 years ago.
I think people who have their own careers, flats, independent lives can forget that easily, 50 years ago would have been very very unlikley to be the case.

Iknowthisgirlcanx100 · 04/11/2016 09:40

Suicide and accidental poisoning leading cause of death for 20-34 year olds
Suicide (including injury/poisoning of undetermined intent) was the leading cause of death for 20-34 year olds (24% of men and 12% of women). Breast cancer leading cause of death for 35-49 year old women
Suicide remains the leading cause of death for men aged 35-49, accounting for 13% of deaths.
Office for national statistics UK
Do you want the link?
Why do you say its not true?

ErrolTheDragon · 04/11/2016 09:39

Of course its good that many women are likely to have better lives than 70 years ago, and are benefiting from moves towards more equality. Note that 1947 was probably a time of particular dissatisfaction, with women being kicked out of the jobs they'd had during the war, with the 'head of the house' returning.

Its not good that some men aren't adjusting to a more equal world, are still stuck with their gender stereotypes.

scallopsrgreat · 04/11/2016 09:31

The level of satisfaction with being a woman in the UK today is higher than it has ever been, a huge increase on that of 50 years ago and much higher than that of male satisfaction with being men today. The article doesn't say that at all.

The biggest cause of death for men is suicide. That's not true either.

And as for a crisis in masculinity, well quite frankly there should be. Masculinity perpetuates violence, destruction and privilege. Having said that I appreciate that some men do suffer under a patriarchy. What are men doing about this?

Iknowthisgirlcanx100 · 04/11/2016 09:27

Its been recognised for years. The PSHE curriculum in schools is now very aware of the frequency of suicide amongst young men who struggle to cope with modern life. There is little publicity to create awareness about it on social media sadly.
I think I am right in saying that women are more likely to make a cry for help. Men are statistically more likely to kill themselves because there is little support for them and they suffer in silence.

BeyondReasonablyDoubts · 04/11/2016 09:20

Top cause of death in men is suicide? Wow. Did not know that, why did nobody tell me before?

IrenetheQuaint · 04/11/2016 09:20

Yes, it is absolutely brilliant how much progress there has been in the UK over the last 70 years. As a single woman with a career and my own flat I am grateful for it every day. It's also lovely to see how involved my male friends are in their children's upbringing, compared to my father's generation.

There are still lots of issues and a long way to go (particularly in terms of violence towards women and girls) but I think it's good to remember how far we've come.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 04/11/2016 09:18

cause for celebration

I think it's definitely a good thing. Things are generally better for women now than decades ago. I'm not getting the bunting out but being a women in the uk is for the most part and obviously it will vary wildly for individuals pretty good.

DeviTheGaelet · 04/11/2016 09:15

[Eyeroll]
Darnit

mrsmuddlepies · 04/11/2016 09:13

Survey shows that men in the UK find life difficult. The biggest cause of death for men is suicide. They feel under too much pressure to be the breadwinner compared to women
www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11238596/A-crisis-of-masculinity-men-are-struggling-to-cope-with-life.html
The survey is YouGov. Sorry, the report is from the Telegraph.

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mrsmuddlepies · 04/11/2016 09:06

We should celebrate the huge strides forward for women in the past 70 years.
I think there is far too much negativity on here about being a woman today in the UK when it is clear that most women do dot envy men at all and are glad to be female.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 04/11/2016 08:54

I am very happy to be a woman . I've never wanted to be a boy or a man.

ChocChocPorridge · 04/11/2016 08:40

Just over two in five (42%) said that men and women gave up equal amounts of freedom in marriage.

That's an interesting one, and much lower than it would be nice to see.

I'm not sure that there's anything there that's particularly a cause for celebration, there's some progress, but it clearly shows we're not there yet.

I would be interested to see the same poll done for men, and see how they feel too.