CBBC - just a girl

I would say to stop using intersex people and gay people and lesbians to back up your argument.

1% of people are intersex Hedgehog. It's not lots.

Anyone can be trans as an adult - once someone is of age, they can decide to take hormones and chop off functioning parts of their bodies if they like.

Advocating drugs to prevent children from reaching puberty when 80% of children who think they are the wrong gender grow out of it is bloody dangerous.

It's not the same as supporting gay children at all.

I know intersex isnt the same as transgender! But intersex people can be transgender and gender fluid. Would you say that that is acceptable because their sex didnt make their gender clear to begin with?
and you do know that transgender people also make up a tiny percentage of the general population? Yet from the outrage and fear youd think this was every other person or something!

"for example i do believe that being a woman is a belief i hold and a feeling. I do think that my sexual attraction to men is a feeling."

Well of course sexual attraction is a feeling. That is literally what it is.

But being something isn't a feeling.

What is this feeling? What's it like?

Do you also have a feeling of being the height you are? What about your eye colour? Or your shoe size? Are those things an essence before an existence too?

Hedgehog

Sure you can tick a box but your sex will be on your medical notes. It would be dangerous if it wasn't. Do you really not understand that? I still work closely with healthcare, I still see medical information. Sex is always on there. Always.

Hedgehog

It's not off topic. Nobody was talking about the tiny percentage of people that have both sets of sexual organs. We are talking about a penis and balls presenting at a gynecologist for treatment.

Intersex isn't the same as transgender. Gynaecologists would know that.

When you said you worked in healthcare what aspect of a healthcare was that? I'm guessing not a doctor (especially not a gynaecologist).

A person could have whatever gender they felt like, gender is an expression of their personality. A person's sex is fixed and known, and very relevant to medical treatment or for access to sex-segregated facilities. Gender and sex are not the same thing.

Miffer well now days no one actually has to put their sex and in some cases i have even seen boxes where you can tick to say you are gender fluid etc

not nessacarily Queen because not everybody has a clear cut sex. There are many people who are a combination and have combinations of genitalia. They may need to see a gynaecologist. But this is maybe off topic a bit.....

I do actually work in healthcare.

I also used to work in healthcare and you know what is stamped along the front of every form along with DoB, name, GP surgery? Sex. It's almost as if sex is a scientific term which is vital when treating a patient.

If i were a gynocholgist i would just work with whatever anatomy was presented to me without passing judgement or labelling a persons gender based on what i saw.

Really? So if I walked into your office got a penis and balls out and asked for my smear test you would.... do what exactly?

Long and short of it is NO ONE knows what being a woman means

So there are no such thing as women then?

My reasons for saying im a woman are obviously different to yours for example.

How do you know you are a woman? You may just be a particularly intelligent hibiscus.

Wouldn't a gynaecologist be completely wasting his/her time if a woman with a penis rocked up?

I do actually work in healthcare. And its considered best practice not to make assumptions about gender but to instead ask and listen.

You would be a very bad gynaecologist then as you'd have no idea what issues the person presenting to you might face, and it would be dangerous for patients being treated that way.

Still absolutely no closer to understanding know what feeling like a woman is. Very frustrating.

The problem with this kind of show is that children may find it more socially acceptable to become - for example - a transman than a butch lesbian, and there is some evidence that this kind of thing is happening - that some teens find it more acceptable to be "in the wrong body" than gay, and that homophobic parents may find it more acceptable for their DC to be trans than gay.

Showing positive trans role models on TV is unlikely to make DC with no issues suddenly decide they are trans. But pushing the idea that it's possible, and cool even, to change your sex may well encourage DC who are already feeling confused about their identity and how they fit into society to start down a road that may lead to puberty blockers, infertility and surgery before they mature to the point to recognise that they didn't have the medical condition of gender dysphoria after all.

for example i do believe that being a woman is a belief i hold and a feeling. I do think that my sexual attraction to men is a feeling.

Im not sure how transgender people feel because i am not one. I do honestly think that its invasive and morally wrong to force my own view of gender onto someone else. Thats their body. If they are going to tell me they are a woman then despite any signs i may interpret as being to the contrary, i would just accept that.

If i were a gynocholgist i would just work with whatever anatomy was presented to me without passing judgement or labelling a persons gender based on what i saw.

Long and short of it is NO ONE knows what being a woman means as it is different for everyone who identifies as one.

My reasons for saying im a woman are obviously different to yours for example.

Why is it always football and dolls?

Has there ever been a case where the child has not had any interest in the opposite sex gender-stereotyped behaviours but still felt they were transgender?

Chemically castrating children - what could possibly go wrong?

So I am watching it now.

Mum always knew something was different. Dad wanted Amy to play football. Amy wanted to play with dolls.

That's it. We've moved on now to how Amy transitioned. That's the whole explanation of how Amy's parents and Amy figured she was trans.

look i dont think i can argue with you because we obviously disagree on some very fundamental precepts of existence.

essence precedes existence/existence precedes essence

im not arrogant enough to believe i have any right to tell another individual what sex they are.

Good job you aren't a gynocologist eh?

How another person defines sex and gender and their relationship to those things is none of my business.

Tell your kids that when they are sitting GCSE biology. It'll be super helpful.

Just because you have no experience of something does not mean it doesnt exist.

True, but you would have to be pretty fucking thick to blindly believe something when there is so much evidence to the contrary.

people are able to change their anatomy to that of the opposite gender

No they aren't. It's absolutely fucking impossible. Do you actually believe that?!

some of them want to do that in a way that is incredibly deep seated and intense.

They may want to but they can't.

Now you can sit here and mouth off about weather its 'real' or 'right' or what the fuck ever, but it doesnt change the fact that its happening to people and so it does need talking about.
Its happening to children so it does need talking about.

Something we agree on! Sadly though many transactivists would prefer we didn't talk about it.

I dont feel its my place to judge in terms of right and wrong other than what is causing pain and what isnt.

You are coming across as more than a little bit judgey here.

In my view a program like this stands to lessen pain for children who may be experiencing something like what the character depicted is experiencing.

I am all for that but I don't think normalising chemical castration and forcing kids to live such a fragile existence is the way to go about it.

Its such an incredibly difficult thing to go through physically and mentally that i find the suggestion that kids will do it on a whim because they saw it on tv completely and utterly ridiculous.

Indeed, so should we be allow fucking 11 year olds to go through this at all?

Hedgehog, could you kindly tell me what a woman is please?

I'm confused.