CBBC - just a girl

Just like gender. It has personal meaning to you and impacts your life due to that meaning.

Offensive drivel.

A meaning and a feeling are not the same thing.

Also, money does exist outside of yourself.

It exists in society. That's what makes it a social construct.

If something has a meaning that only exists personally inside of one person - it isn't a social construct!

Social constructs have a shared meaning.

Miffer- i wish

there are tribes out there that know nothing of money.
Yet we all live our lives by it to varying extents. But it doesnt actually exist as a thing outside of our selves. Give a bunch of money to a dog... he wont know what it is. Because its only something according to the person who believes in it and is affected in the way they live their life by that belief.
Just like gender. It has personal meaning to you and impacts your life due to that meaning. Its a feeling.

Money is not a feeling. That is not what the word means. In a sense, the value of money is a belief.

So are you now saying that when you said woman was a feeling, you actually meant it was a belief?

So your statement...

"for example i do believe that being a woman is a belief i hold and a feeling. I do think that my sexual attraction to men is a feeling"

should actually read...

"for example i do believe that being a woman is a belief i hold and a belief. I do think that my sexual attraction to men is a belief."

I'm confused. What is the difference between a belief and a feeling?

I would assume feelings to be either

a. emotions. To feel joy, love, anger, envy etc.
b. supernatural. People can feel the presence of God.

frankly I think puberty blockers (unless in the use of children going through puberty unusually early) should be banned.

How do you feel about the 80% or so of children who otherwise wouldn't eventually become transgender? If only 1 in 5 of gender dysphoric children are transgender then it seems wrong to me to give out puberty blockers to all of them, just in case.

no Queen i dont think the vast majority of children with these feeling should be pumped full of drugs and they arent!! Do you know what you have to go through to get these drugs? alot of counselling, alot of refferals sometimes taking years. You are acting like people are handing these drugs out over the counter or something!

And it DOES make it a feeling or perhaps a better word would be belief or outlook.

So if you feel rich should the bank give you a mortgage on a mansion?

So the vast majority of children who have these feelings should be pumped full of heavy duty drugs that no one know the true side effects of just to be on the safe side?

with holding these drugs is liable to have the most negative impact

Link with the research that backs up this statement please.

.money is a societal concept..... yes. And it DOES make it a feeling or perhaps a better word would be belief or outlook.

some peopel arent bothered by that and will happily live as women, say, but with male genitals their whole life... some people however find that deeply traumatic. I dont feel its my call to make to tell anyone what they should do. Surely the aim is to help children grow into happy and well adjusted adults?
Forcing someone whos gender does not match their sex and who is deeply upset by that to go through puberty by denying them blockers is surely not great?
Maybe when they get older they will have accepted the difference between their gender and sex and will not wish to continue and permanantly alter their bodies, and they have that option.
But if they go through puberty its much harder for them to ever become the opposite gender and also may cause them incredible psychological harm.
So giving these drugs may seem like an agressive thing but as i see it, with holding these drugs is liable to have the most negative impact and therefore is the more aggressive option.

No one knows if the drugs are reversible actually. Because they were never intended for this use!

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These boards of full of parents who won't permit their children to have vaccinations because they're worried about some nebulous impact and yet other parents are happy to give their children drugs which no one knows the full impact of and that's fine? That's not fine. It's fucking child abuse.

No one knows the long lasting side effects. but, hey, pump children with heavy duty drugs. No big deal.

How can sex and gender match?! What does this mean?

Money is a societal construct. That doesn't make it a feeling.

Living by the sea can have a lot of meaning for people. That doesn't mean people who live in a landlocked country can just claim they really live on the coast and we should all agree that is true.

What are you talking about?

I have no idea what essence precedes existence is even supposed to mean. Can you explain what you mean by essence and existence?

No one can actually have the surgery when they are that young the point is to delay the onset of puberty to give them time to grow older and decide then.

Because puberty is such a trivial thing?

Queen because they want their gender and sex to match

the thing is that the drugs are reverseable whereas puberty is not. Thats the point of it. No one can actually have the surgery when they are that young the point is to delay the onset of puberty to give them time to grow older and decide then.

So if gender is just a feeling why the need the puberty blockers?

But then yes i do think pretty much everything is essence precedes existence so i would say that.

Would you like to try and explain this clearly? I think I see what you are saying but I would like to be clear before I answer.

i think being a gender is a feeling because its a societal construct. I would also go as far to say that biological sex in terms of its meaning to a person can also be a feeling. But then yes i do think pretty much everything is essence precedes existence so i would say that.

The thing that hit me most about this show is how much is defined by culture. How would a refugee child know they were trans for example?

How would someone's sex make their gender clear?

We were specifically talking about transgender children. Not intersex adults.

Stop derailing.