CBBC - just a girl

In the uk wanting to play soccer is 'evidence' of a girl wanting to be a 'boy'.

In USA wanting to play soccer is 'evidence' of a boy wanting to be a 'girl'.

It's all socially constructed nonsense.

Kids are being permanently harmed by this dangerous dogma.

It's mass child abuse and not far from eugenics.

But you didn't Hedgehog. I'm asking about the phrasing you used, which you never seem to be able to explain the meaning of.

I'd like to say this has been a pleasure, but it's just a lot of hard work to try and understand someone who can't say what they mean.

id go with 'outline' rather than 'exact understanding' and i have to go to sleep now

So what are the grouping of symptoms of feeling you have a gender?

i should have said issues instead of things.

I'm also confused by the notion that something that has no agreed understanding can be redefined. Surely a definition is an agreed understanding of something.

So what are the grouping of symptoms of being a woman?

almond- theres not actually an agreed understanding of what many psychological things are..... there are groupings of symptoms and treatment methods but its a spectrum and these things intersect and are not clear cut. Also are quite often being changed and redefined. The aim is how to best deal with any problems presented rather than to clearly define.
When presented in the media, things like depression, will be represented in an overly simplified way, to spread awareness so that people are not isolated or victimised by their illness, feel comfortable talking about it etc Similarly with autism, the videos they show children in school are going to be massively simplified and no they wont really understand what autism is because no one really understands what autism is people are working on that all the time!! But they will gain an insight into the experience of children who are going through things that have been labelled as autism, and in doing so will hopefully be more compassionate towards them, less afraid, more likely to befriend them etc etc

Miffer- id just say 'okay' and see how it panned out. Obviously there are many many different ways it could pan out. Id try and not make a big deal of it and pay attention to what they naturally wanted to do whilst trying my best not to apply any pressure in any particular direction. If they were seemingly very anxious and depressed about it id have to refer them to child mental health services whom i assume could tell me more about weather my child was actually transgender or there were other things going on.

How are you going to provide insight into a concept that nobody can define?

Six year olds can understand all kinds of things they don't experience personally - asperger's for example, but that's because there is an agreed understanding of what it is.

Genuine question, if your 6 year old told you they felt like they were the opposite gender what would your reaction be?

Gardengreek i dont think the 6yo need to agree on the concepts, surely this is just to make sure theres no bullying and nastiness by providing some insight into what these children are going thru to their peers?

Giving birth and having periods isn't a consequence of someone judging your gender.

Is working in mental health a belief or a feeling of yours? If I feel that I'm a psychologist who has worked in mental health for five years, can I put that down on my CV? Is that okay? What about if I say that I feel I've always been a psychologist, from birth? Is that okay? Given that we shouldn't judge people's feelings and 'mental health worker' is a social construct.

Miffer- im sorry i did not mean that statement to stand against the fact that people are judged by others for their gender and will have experiences because of that.
It does worry me and i did understand germaine greers argument about womens experiences being undermined.
I personally think that is a seperate issue though.
I know men transitioning to be women will not have experience of the problems and prejudices that people born women will experience and have historically suffered. I know there may be some outrage when someone like Caitlyn Jenner says she is a woman, can speak for women and accept awards for women when she has been a very wealthy priveleged white man for a long time.
However i still dont see that as making a case for me to judge what gender another person calls themself? People changing their sex will encounter prejudices and pressures of their own.
Its a relatively new concept and if anything it really really need plenty of discussion.

But they're not interchangeable.

If you redefine words to mean things they do not mean, nobody understands what you are saying.

As I've said people feel things about the sea and believe in it. That does not mean the sea is a feeling or a belief!

Bollocks

no, i worked in mental health full time for five years before i had my baby and i was studying to become a psychologist.
You did ask me these questions. This is just what i think. It is a bit late for this sort of thing.
But these questions are relevant because it is a really complex issue and it does centre on belief and feeling in individuals.
Like i said i just dont think that anyone has a right to decide someone elses gender for them.

Let me clarify.

It has personal meaning to you and impacts your life due to that meaning.

Here are a random collection of things that have happened to me because I am a woman and was a girl-

I have been sexually assaulted.
I have been discriminated against at work.
I nearly died twice bringing children in the world.
I had a medical condition that caused my periods to stop causing no end of anxiety.

None of those things impacted my life because of a 'personal meaning' I gave myself. They impacted it because I am am woman and was a girl.

miffer why is it offensive?

I can't even be arsed with this.

Hedgehog - I wish you well with your studies because you are clearly about 19yrs old and a student.

I'm also guessing when you said you worked in healthcare that you aren't a doctor but you did a couple of weeks work experience. Photocopying at your local GP.

i equate feeling with belief. Like outlook or view.
I think its quite interchangeable. Except i suppose you can believe things exist without feeling them. Like i think being gay is a feeling, i dont feel it but i do believe it exists?
And i suppose you could convince tribes that had never seen money to believe in its existence but they still wouldnt understand the feeling of it? they wouldnt understand how that feeling would make them behave the impact of it on them personally.