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Oh bless you xeno and pat

That really means a lot

Me included, Rufus

Rufus, don't be putting yourself down. Your insights have been real lightbulb moments to more women than just me.

I gave you proof. As did Buffy.

But as you bring it up, civillians are always the victim of war, how can you claim women want to be on the front line in one hand and cite rape is rife in war on the other?! Hypocrisy much. Hypocrisy? It's not hypocrisy . I didn't actually say women wanted to be on the frontline (does anyone want to be on the frontline of a war). But even if I did, that isn't a hypocritical stance because women are raped during war. Unless you are suggesting it is women doing the raping?

It is a juxtaposition, I grant you. Why put more women into the path of violent men where they could be raped? Why perpetuate male violence? But as both types of violence will happen, currently, with or without women on the frontline, women should be allowed to fight if they want to. If there were more female soldiers maybe there would be less rape of civilians (not that I think it would be a woman's responsibility to stop her colleagues from raping women.)

No Pat, I really don't think they would.

Well, they would to us, but not to the hairy handed.

My mum wasnt in the military

No no rebuttal

I honestly cant be bothered

And i have tried really i have to take you at face value, not necessarily on this thread i grant you

You dont listen

There are loads of very clever women on this thread (not me ) with masses of 'studies'

One will be along in a minute

assuming they can be bothered at any rate

There are plenty of military women on here, would their opinions count?

I looked up the workplace fatality statistics. It appears there were 144 workplace deaths last year, we've one of the lowest rates in Europe, and the figures decrease every year, presumably as safety measures improve. The highest number of deaths was in construction, not normally a job I'd consider dangerous, but I guess working at height needs stringent safety procedures. All in all men are pretty safe at work in the UK.

www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/pdf/fatalinjuries.pdf

Rufus

So no rebutal to the practical study, jusy 'haha you sound like my dad'.

Maybe a lifelong military woman saying the same thing as me has more of a point?

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/work/putting-women-soldiers-like-me-on-the-front-line-is-dangerous/

Or maybe she sounds like your mum?

Can I ask, have you ever been in combat? A war zone or shot at? I can tell you how the fight or flight theory is indeed nothing compared to the decision to flee for your life or stay and search for female relatives!!!

Women involvement on the front line effects mens ability to do their jobs

I call bullshit. Prove it.

I'll give you a hint. It's not true.

how can you claim women want to be on the front line in one hand and cite rape is rife in war on the other?! Hypocrisy much

Not sure about this bit either

But why FIFA, if you don't believe western women have it wore than men, why are you even reading these threads? How can it be of any interest to you whatsoever?

Oh good lord

fifa sounds like my dad, except the bit where he says men have empathetic natures...that bit my daddy definitely wouldnt say

That's because men are usually carpenters and women are usually seamstresses. I'm a midwife and have met one male midwife in 20 years. Would you prefer midwives on tv to be played by men? Get real!! Yes! That is how you get to inspire more men to apply for midwifery courses or become nurses.

The similar logic would apply to females or other race if you want change at all.

Scallops

Being called a dickhead for starters, is that acceptable to you? Maybe casual and aggressive racism? Maybe your false accusations that I am abusing people?

Are you willing to overlook peoples behaviour you agree with?

Scallops

I'm still waiting for proof or an apology of the 'abuse' i was dishing out...

But as you bring it up, civillians are always the victim of war, how can you claim women want to be on the front line in one hand and cite rape is rife in war on the other?! Hypocrisy much.

Women involvement on the front line effects mens ability to do their jobs, there has been plenty of practical study within armed forces of mens empathetic natures leading them to becoming weak when they have to consider a womans safety, inferior physical capabilities, higher emotional intelligence.

deplorable attitudes . What deplorable attitudes?

You mean women not agreeing with you and calling you out on your sexist attitude?

Yes, please, tell Yazidi women how jolly lucky they are not to be on the frontline.

Or friends of mine. Those bullets must have travelled a hell of a long way if they weren't on the frontline, eh?

Well for a bit

I am watching Buffy season 5

errol

Go for it and i will try and keep up

Who has denied women being on the frontline? Who has denied them fighting for their country?

It isn't actually true btw that women haven't been on the frontline of wars. They have on a regular basis. You could also google mass rape of German women in WW2 (or in fact mass rape of women in any war) if you have a stomach for it, Fifa.

Wow, women do as dangerous jobs as men...

Then are they immune to accidents, because 97% of workplace deaths in the UK are men.

Almond

I came to read a gamergate thread, I seem to have been dragged into others by some deplorable attitudes, and my inability to not allow bullys to get away with their behaviour.

xeno - probably twas ever thus, but yeah.

I was sort of hoping to discuss gender stereotypes in advertising on this thread - not necessarily whether carpentry was superior to upholstery, but about the gendered role models/people like us thing.

Straw feminism seems to be a theme at the minute.

"More pertinently, more civilian women and children suffer in war than combatant men, due to their increased risk of being raped/trafficked both by the "enemy" and by friendly forces."

Absolutely, Xeno