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Could someone please explain to me exactly why the ONS stats on domestic abuse are not accurate?

43 replies

AVirginLitTheCandle · 24/10/2016 19:58

I know that they're not and that they've been criticized in the past for overestimating the number of male victims but could someone please explain how they're not accurate.

I'm not quite sure I understand how they've come to the 40% of victims are male figure.

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HillaryFTW · 28/10/2016 20:00

Another disingenuous contribution from Mr cadno.

I've never understood why sex of perpetrator isn't recorded. Is it recorded only for convictions,not at a first report, maybe?

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 28/10/2016 16:29

That's being a victim of personal or intimate violence crime by sexuality (including from family - very sad to see such a higher prevalence of assaults from family for gay people)

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 28/10/2016 16:25

Having a look and they've actually changed the way statistics are broken down since I last looked and published a report which confirmed that the stats were unreliable. Can't imagine it's an easy task though trying to get accurate statistics from 43 different police forces.

Yes Felas, I find it frustrating because they record sex of victim and have a breakdown of crime by sexuality (although not also sex) but there's no data on the sex of the perpetrators. I guess a way of finding out would be to look at convictions but we know that conviction rates for rape and domestic violence are low.

Felascloak · 28/10/2016 15:06

That's interesting oneflew. Wonder why that is.
I think records of gender of perpetrator would be useful as male victims may also be in a gay relationship.

cadnowyllt · 28/10/2016 13:36

I saw a Scottish study conducted by WA before, it said that when male victims were reinterviewed 12 months later 1/3 admitted they had made the offence up. I cannot find the research now, it's disappeared from WA website.

Only a third ? Well, I'm shocked Shock - see.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 28/10/2016 11:40

I've done a bit of digging on the ONS stats in the past, and one thing that really skews the stats is the statistics around people murdered by a current or former partner.

For women, it only includes current and former partners, but for men it also includes being murdered by their partner's former partners as well. So in heterosexual relationships it's a man killing his ex's new boyfriend which to me is actually still a way to try to control their female ex.

Unfortunately the statistics don't show the sex of the perpetrators, but I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the violence against men is committed by men.

Felascloak · 24/10/2016 20:32

I think that's summarised in my second link buffy Wink

HalloToJasonIsaacs · 24/10/2016 20:26

Whoops forgot the link.
www.refuge.org.uk/about-domestic-violence/domestic-violence-and-gender/

HalloToJasonIsaacs · 24/10/2016 20:25

There's this summary link from Refuge which seems to have some more detailed work linked within it.

I'd be interested in knowing what proportion of male victims are abused by male perpetrators, but haven't been able to find that statistic.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 24/10/2016 20:18

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AVirginLitTheCandle · 24/10/2016 20:16

I see the stats don't include sexual offences.

So a woman who is being raped by her partner over a long period of time will not be included in the domestic abuse stats but a woman who slaps her partner as a one off incident will be included?

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Felascloak · 24/10/2016 20:13

Here's another more recent analysis
www.statslife.org.uk/social-sciences/2308-official-stats-mask-extent-of-domestic-violence-in-the-uk

AVirginLitTheCandle · 24/10/2016 20:11

So it doesn't make the distinction between one off incidents and long term abuse?

Is that it?

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Felascloak · 24/10/2016 20:10

Here's a blog from the amazing Karen Ingala-Smith
kareningalasmith.com/2013/04/29/this-thing-about-male-victims/

FruitCider · 24/10/2016 20:09

I saw a Scottish study conducted by WA before, it said that when male victims were reinterviewed 12 months later 1/3 admitted they had made the offence up. I cannot find the research now, it's disappeared from WA website.

Felascloak · 24/10/2016 20:07

I think it's because they don't count repeat offences against the same victim. So they are counting how many victims there are. If you continue how many offences were committed against men v women it looks totally different. Basically men are far less likely to have repeated acts of DV against them.

LineyReborn · 24/10/2016 20:03

I would want to know how many male victims are abused by perpetrators who themselves were born male, as opposed to born female.

That might be a start.

Then I'd want to break that down by category.

We all know that the category of dv most likely to end in death and very serious injury involves female victims of male aggressors.