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Rape and shame

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huckleberrry · 24/10/2016 15:46

Sorry if this is in the wrong place.

CPS just gave me a very detailed explanation about why they won't charge the man who raped me. Apparently I messaged a friend about it at the time and it doesn't tally up with my video statement to the police. I was really shocked because I recall telling that friend at the time about the details of the rape and she was supporting me, and still had the messages which I haven't reread but assumed would support me to get it to court etc.

Reading their explanation, I was so overwhelmed with shame and self hatred that I must have made a mistake somewhere (I don't think so?) and people must think I'm lying, the police must think I'm either lying or stupid. And everything has come crashing down and can't seem to breathe or think straight, I just wanted to self destruct and harm myself.

I suppose I was just wondering if this is normal, the shame, the agony, not being able to think through it and make sense. Has anyone else ever been through this? Did it ever go away?

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Totallymyownperson · 02/11/2016 20:33

I know sometimes it feels like fighting a loosing battle to get justice for rape victims but as small gesture I think everyone who has not donated to the go fund me site for ched Evans woman should do so and everyone should spread the word. Just type in go find me in google and then ched in the go fund me page

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 02/11/2016 08:49

Well done. You've done so well. When the woman I knew heard the CPS weren't going to prosecute she thought that was the end of the matter. I wish I'd known she could have pressed the matter further. Sad

HillaryFTW · 31/10/2016 23:30

Has your solicitor been able to set up the meeting?

Hope you are ok.

HappyAxolotl · 26/10/2016 22:28

Oh Huckleberrry. Flowers Big hug for you if you would like one.

I want to echo what all the others have said. You've done a brave thing in reporting this in the first place. And all the blame, shame and guilt belongs on the scumbag's head, not yours. And that nothing, nothing at all that you did do or didn't do makes you responsible for what the scumbag chose to do to you.

I hope that the CPS reconsider. Take good care of yourself.

Queenoftheblues · 26/10/2016 22:12

That's really good. Keep us updated on what you decide to do x

Felascloak · 26/10/2016 20:25

Well done huckleberry and good luck. Let us know how you get on Flowers

huckleberrry · 26/10/2016 20:22

Hi all,

Thank you so much for the support. I do actually have a solicitor already but I was so horrified and ashamed when I got that letter that I couldn't bare to share it with her. I put my big girl pants on yesterday and emailed her a copy. She has replied and is cool calm and collected and made me feel so much better. She has requested disclosure of the messages and a meeting with the person at the CPS who made the decision, and says we can ask for a review once we've seen the messages.

Thank you for supporting me when I felt so awful the other day, it is so overwhelming sometimes that I can't see through it.

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FreshwaterSelkie · 25/10/2016 12:47

Sorry, no practical help over and above what other posters have suggested, but just wanted to chip in and say I believe you Flowers You've done the right thing in reporting, and you've been let down, but it's not your fault. Sending you some virtual hugs through the ether, and wishing you happier days to come.

Datun · 25/10/2016 12:10

huckleberrry

Can you re-read the messages? Are they only on your friend's phone?

Get the phone and the CPS letter to a solicitor.

Queenoftheblues · 25/10/2016 11:55

Minimalist ion is very common. I did it too and it was used against me at his trial. Sadly the courts don't seem to recognise these patterns of behaviour. Do you have any emails or letters cb messages that may back you up? Did you talk to your doctor about it? Think of anything where there may be a record of his behaviour.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 25/10/2016 10:27

I think it is yet another violence / injustice against women that CPS communicate in the way they do. The OP now appears to think she made a mistake in some way or appeared inconsistent (i.e. it was her fault) instead of there just being a stupidly high and misogynistic evidence bar. Four adult male witnesses anyone?

Felascloak · 25/10/2016 10:05

www.cps.gov.uk/victims_witnesses/victims_right_to_review/

Might be worth following up.

Felascloak · 25/10/2016 10:03

It's not the police's decision it's the CPS. The CPS are quite hard nosed about only proceeding if they believe there is a good chance of conviction.

HarleyQuinzel · 25/10/2016 09:58

The police probably do believe you. It's not their opinions that count, it's the cold hard facts that they can prove.

A police officer told my dad he was certain I was telling the truth and if it was up to him he would be behind bars. Only something like 6% of rape cases reach conviction, so you've done brilliantly to make it this far.

And yes it does go away, you have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 25/10/2016 09:53

I am so sorry to hear your tale. I do suggest you seek counselling and maybe work with the support organisation to mediate with the police about why the evidence was not sufficient enough to meet the stupidly high standards obviously required in the patriarchal court system? Flowers

Xenophile · 25/10/2016 08:52

I believe you.

The chances of getting a case of rape to trial appears to be negligible and, given a recent high profile trial, it seems that men can behave in the most appalling ways and get clean away with it.

mynameiscalypso · 25/10/2016 08:32

Don't read too much into the letter - the police told me that they were almost totally generic and certainly the one I received has absolutely no reality to what the CPS told the police about why the case was dropped.

I'm so sorry about what happened to you. None of it was your fault and you were not weak at all, he sounds like a predator.

huckleberrry · 25/10/2016 06:01

queen
Yes he was a partner. A short term abusive and controlling relationship. I imagine whatever the discrepancy was it was probably linked to me trying to minimise what happened. The rape wasn't one that was ambiguous, he physically forced me after I'd verbally said no and tried to get away so I broke contact initially because I was so angry and knew it was the right thing to do but I was weak and he was controlling and I went back to him. My friends were furious and it took them about 2 weeks to get through to me and make me see sense.

I'm terrified to ask exactly what the discrepancy is. In their letter they make out like it undermines the whole case and without it they would have charged him. I just don't understand what on earth it could be.

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Queenoftheblues · 25/10/2016 00:19

Huckleberry you say you hate the police for letting him do this to you. Was he a partner/ex partner with a history of abusing you? I think you should examine the discrepancy and consider asking the cps to look again.

mynameiscalypso · 24/10/2016 22:43

I've been exactly where you are and I know exactly how you're feeling. However hard it is to believe, it's not your fault at all - you've done an incredibly brave and strong thing and it sounds like you did absolutely everything you could to get justice. As previous posters have said, the system is broken and stacked against victims in so many ways.

Have you spoken to the police at all? They were really helpful with me in putting the CPS decision into context and they can also appeal the decision to a more senior lawyer in some cases (separate to your right to get the decision reviews).

OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 24/10/2016 22:35

Flowers you have been so brave and done so well to report it.

I believe you.

AntiSocialInjusticePacifist · 24/10/2016 22:34

You didn't put a foot wrong, you are 100% not at fault. Keep this thread, print it out if need be and read it again whenever any thought of shame/guilt flashes in your mind. Then maybe throw it away on the day you no longer have need of it. Nobody asks for this.

I stand by what I said earlier you are incredibly brave, and I'm talking the sort of bravery I can't say for sure I myself could muster in the same circumstances.

VestalVirgin · 24/10/2016 22:31
Flowers

You are very brave, and I agree with what others have said; the rapist will likely rape again, and then your statement will help.
If that is any consolation.

I also think this is a flaw in the system, and that this has everything to do with patriarchy. The system is just not fair.
One shouldn't have to pass a memory test to be protected by the law.

huckleberrry · 24/10/2016 21:36

Thanks all. I've read your replies again and again and again to get me through today to try to make my thoughts shut up. I hate him so much for raping me and I hate the police so much for letting him. But all of that anger I'm putting on me, because they are putting it on me by saying that this discrepancy of what I supposedly said in a text message (?) undermines what I've told them happened. And I was so, excruciatingly honest during that interview, I didn't lie about the long list of things I regretted or was ashamed of that I felt made the rape my fault. I gave it to them exactly straight so that this couldnt happen but it has.

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lollylou2876 · 24/10/2016 20:34

I believe you too 💐 it must be horrible to muster up the courage to report and not even get to trial.

In my experience the perpetrators of rape tend to commit the same crime again, eventually. Hopefully you & your statement will called upon then.

Best wishes thoughts & prayers xXx

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