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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 22/10/2016 14:24

I seem to be hitting #PeakTrans on a daily basis now and thought it would be useful to have another general thread to discuss/post/share

If you haven't seen Magdalen Berns' recent blog post it's really worth a look

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user1477282676 · 26/10/2016 01:10

I agree that those in possession of a penis shouldn't be allowed access to female spaces....in the meantime, whilst those who are transitioning but still are pre op, should be offered a different space...another toilet, another changing room.

ArcheryAnnie · 26/10/2016 00:54

I completely agree User147 - but this isn't demonisation, it's pointing out male violence. You are deploying something similar to a #notallmen argument. Of course Not All Men are rapists, and Not All Transwomen are creeps who film women in public changing rooms.

But some are, and in the current circumstances, where we are constantly being told that it's no problem at all to have people with penises and a massive sense of male entitlement in sex-segregated women's spaces, it's necessary to point this out.

There's also a bit of the "no true Scotsman" argument going on here. We are also constantly told that anyone who says they are a woman is a woman, whether they have transitioned or changed their appearance or behaviour in any way or not. And then we are told that someone like this isn't a "genuine transwoman", despite identifying as a woman. Which is it or not?

user1477282676 · 26/10/2016 00:34

The problem is...in demonizing all transwomen, there will be victims. The majority of transwomen are not violent rapists or men who are pretending to be women in order to get access to their spaces.

There ARE some "transwomen" like that but they are not genuine transwomen.

NinjaFeminist · 23/10/2016 12:15

Thanks for posting ibelieve - I hadn't heard of the professor before. Love Magdalene Berns, I've been following her on twitter & love how she deals with people & her videos are awesome.

Just an observation but the video with the TA's talking on & on & on & on & not allowing the prof to speak is such a well worn 'tactic' & one I find utterly infuriating. I can't think of a single person who would be persuaded by any argument presented in that way.

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 23/10/2016 11:20

More on Prof Peterson. I think I love this guy

news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-embattled-u-of-t-professor-a-warrior-for-common-sense

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 22/10/2016 19:44

Hahaha! C&Pdisaster. They are lovely though Grin

Cooking dinner now so will post the intended article later

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 22/10/2016 18:12

Nice boots, Ibelieve! (You may have posted the wrong link...)

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 22/10/2016 16:53

Good idea.

This is a good article

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singingsixpence82 · 22/10/2016 16:06

Any chance people could use this thread to alert us to other trans threads elsewhere on mumsnet? Sometimes they're not obvious from their titles but I'm trying to keep up with what's going on.

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 22/10/2016 15:32

I love this one. The University of Michigan is allowing students to determine their own personal pronouns, so one student has made his 'His Majesty' Grin

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 22/10/2016 14:30

I have also been very interested in Canadian Professor Jordan Peterson's recent speeches re the proposed laws on Trans issues (such as making a crime to 'misgender'').

This Free Speech one

And when he is huckled by the TA protesters

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