General Trans Discussion Thread

This quote from the article is interesting

"Eastwood Park's governor, Suzy Dymond-White, said a "one size fits all" approach would not work.
"I would prefer to maintain people as individuals and transgender people are at different states of transition and they have different backgrounds and they're in different states not just physically but emotionally and mentally as well," she said."

I think they wanted this prisoner separate from the female inmates because they are an extremely volatile and violent person with all the strength of a male. I'm glad they kept the women safe

Tara Hudson was only in prison for six weeks, she was released a while ago. IIRC she just hadn't got round to applying for a GRC but wanted to be treated as if she had: reminded me of the threads on here where unmarried women want the same rights on separation as if they had been married but without getting the necessary piece of paper

Is Magdelen B a mumsnetter?

There's a photo on the BBC story

Tara Hudson is a violent man with a long criminal record who boasts about his dick. He looks very girly, at least in his escort photos, though I wonder how he looks in day to day life.

Ah, that would make sense as to why she's in jail. DD thinks she should be in a male prison. I think I agree with her.

Head butting a barman knocking out all his front teeth. It was something like Tara's 7th or 8th conviction for assault/ GBH.

I seem to remember it was assault, but tara also made a living as an escorts with a fully functioning surprise...

And yes, IBelieve, dd loves her!! She watched that the other day and came to show me straight away!

What did Tara Hudson do to be sent to jail? I've heard of her but I don't know much about her.

Have you guys seen the BBC website? Tara Hudson is complaining of inhumane treatment due to being kept in isolation whilst in a woman's prison. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-37837264

I'm not Spartacus, and I am late to this, but I wanted to reply to this comment.

But if we believe (as I do) that gender is a social construct, isn't it equally problematic to say that a boy who likes pink and sparkes is going to grow up to be a gay man, and a girl who likes drills and pirates is going to grow up to be a butch lesbian? Surely sexuality is as divorced from the nonsense of "gender" as biology is?

I have two related points here. One is, there's a methodological issue here.

The majority of children do not go on to become homosexual adults. Therefore, even if 100% of homosexual men had adored pink sparkles aged 3, you could still very easily find that liking pink sparkles was a rubbish predictor of male homosexuality, couldn't you? Because there could be a much larger group of heterosexual males, who'd also loved pink sparkles aged 3, and who would mess up your data.

That's probably a side point - but it shows how important it is not just to look forwards from the child ('how will he or she grow up') but also backwards from the adult ('what was he or she like as a child, and what did we - or society - insist that meant?').

I mention this side of things, because I think this is where the issue with gender dysphoria and sexuality becomes interesting. And this is my second point.

I don't believe there's anything innate that would make little girls who're going to grow up to be lesbians, gravitate towards boyish toys/activities. But there is a powerful socialised reason. If you are a small girl who listens to stories about the prince who gets the princess, or who sees that the man who plays football marries the lady who wears pretty dresses, you take messages from that. And if you are a small girl who relates to the prince getting the princess or the man marrying the lady, you may end up thinking that in order to be the person who gets the woman, you have to be masculine. Right?

I base this on my DP and a lot of her friends, btw, though I was also a tomboy child who has grown up to be a feminine lesbian. It is also something that is often theorised by academics looking at the ways lesbians read fiction, which is something I'm interested in.

I think it's obvious that a lot of small children who engage in opposite-gender play are just playing. But I also think some of them might be gravitating towards those roles because society is heteronormative and has sent a message to those children that, to get XX they must be XY.

Okay, Prawn

gendercriticalteen.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

Found it this morning. DD loves it already

Why on earth shouldn't you? Fill your boots, Marvellous.

Hi everyone. So I asked this on my other thread and haven't had any replies yet. Am I allowed to post a link to a blog of a teen who is gender critical? Me and DD were looking around and stumbled across it. It only has one very new post but I think its fab that young people are speaking out.

Ooh, that sounds interesting. Thank you, tubas.

Will be watching that tubas, thanks for that.

Channel 4 tonight. 10pm. My Trans American Road Trip. Abi Austen investigates the transgender bathroom debate.

Almond and Archery - yes, what you both say makes a lot of sense.

People say: boys/girls display preferences in childhood for stuff associated with the opposite gender. But they're not trans, they're just gay.

Jilly, I don't say that at all, and I would be very surprised if many of the women talking here did.

I think possibly the confusion is that the (few? only?) studies done on outcomes of children reporting dysphoria and gender confusion say that something like 80% turn out to be gay rather than trans. What I don't know, because I haven't read the primary sources, is how that gender confusion manifested itself, and of course the children would not have grown up in a vacuum, but are shaped by their parents' expectations, too. I personally think any linking of "likes dolls = female or gay male", "likes trucks = male or lesbian" is utter bollocks.

Atransmum
What are the indicators that a child is trans?

Jill's, I've been thinking about that too.

I don't think gendered behaviour and sexual/romantic orientation are totally separate things. A very large part of femininity is about behaving in ways that are supposed to be attractive to men, and the opposite for masculinity.

That's the issue with Fox's Fishers comments about deviancy. Not only are they homophobic, but it also misleads people about how much of gendered behaviour is actually about sexual politics.

Faffing around whispering don't mention the gays doesn't actually make gender some kind of asexual behaviour,

So what IS an indication of gender preference then, ATM? And what is "gender preference" anyway? Isn't it just what you like to do/wear/think? Or, as I like to call it, personality?