woman loses residency of son she was raising as daughter

I am amazed at the knowledge trans children are born with
Gender norms vary over time and place yet they are born knowing that the pink sippy cup indicates a girl
That pirate parties are for boys. That only girls wear princess dresses
How do they know this from 18 months old?
From their environment of course including parental expectations of each sex

I don't know what kind of person would try and frighten parents by using untrue information about suicide rates

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Just like all those many 3 year olds that cut their genitals off with scissors because they couldn't deal with being the sex they were. Oh wait, they were all miraculously intercepted at the last second.

"I think it's very likely that the child will desist after puberty

Yup. If by 'desist' you mean 'die'. Because that is also likely......."

We say 'desist' (and quite possibly be lesbian or gay), but TransMum (who AFAIK isn't actually a mum but a late transitioning father based on their earlier posts, please correct me if I'm wrong), would instead rather keep posting the frankly dangerous (as in encouraging transkids to suicide) lie that without transition, they'll top themselves. With a HuffPost article entered as evidence...............

Who does it serve if we believe this nonsense? Not the kids themselves, who even if they know their own minds as much as non-trans kids, at that age..................

This just looks more and more like adult transitioners in effect grooming vulnerable teenagers and their parents so they can get what they never had the chance to get -- transition earlier with a more acceptable cosmetic outcome, and validation of the 'born this way' narrative.

All this talk of transing children reminds me of this rather nice YouTube video I came across

"Yup. If by 'desist' you mean 'die'. Because that is also likely."

Oh yes, because we all know & heard of so many hundreds of children who wanted to be the other sex who then committed suicide.

Oh wait

We really don't.

To be fair, I'd imagine the desistance rate may be lower amongst mermaid users, and those children whose parents are very supportive. For a teenager who has transitioned socially it would be extremely hard to change their mind.

www.sexologytoday.org/2016/01/do-trans-kids-stay-trans-when-they-grow_99.html?m=1

Afaik the 80% desistance figure is taken from a meta analysis of several studies?

nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/07/whats-missing-from-the-conversation-about-transgender-kids.html

This article is worth reading and links to several studies that all found the same thing i.e. that the majority of trans children desist and grow up into gay or lesbian adults if allowed to have a natural puberty.

My sex life is a million times better now I'm happier with my gender.

YOU are an adult. I'm presuming you made the transition in adulthood. When I was 10 I wanted to marry Boy George. I repeated it continually. I had his picture by my bed and I'd kiss it last thing at night and first thing in the morning. By your standards I should have been transitioned.

To quote you actual LOL

My sex life is a million times better now I'm happier with my gender.

That's great for you, but you are very lucky.

The problem is, taking MtT as an example if the MtT is sexually attracted to women, straight are unlikely to be attracted to them as they present as women, and gay women are unlikely to be attracted to them as they are male. The converse is true for FtT.

Not impossible certainly, but narrowing the potential pool of partners very significantly.

blae

I realise that you cant change sex

But trans mum was talking about what would i tell my child

I would tell my child that they couldnt change sex, but we would do what we could

And furthermore, you are also massively restricting their chances of future happiness in a fulfilling sexual relationship.

Actual lol.

My sex life is a million times better now I'm happier with my gender.

being trans is like

No it isn't. Seriously.

Say sorry sweetheart but at the moment medicine isnt good enough to completely change sex but we will do whatever we can to get you as close as we can if thats what you really want to do and maybe medicine will catch up one day

This is basically option B anyway. But that is also a very valid approach and sets a clear expectation.

From the Jackie Green article:

GID is diagnosed if a child displays several characteristic behaviours, including repeatedly stating the desire to be, or insisting he or she is, the other sex. Most pertinently, many children with GID become increasingly distressed – to the point of depression – as they get older, especially approaching puberty. Typically, they express disgust at their genitalia.

Followed by:

Evidence suggests that four in five pre-pubertal children diagnosed with GID do not go on to experience the condition in adulthood.

But why wait? You'll be right one time out of five...

ATransMum I find it extraordinary that anyone would think that when there is a disparity between feelings and bodies, we shouldn't look to alter the feelings rather than a perfectly healthy body. If the body is perfectly healthy then clearly the mind isn't.

If the mind said 'my left arm shouldn't be there, it's wrong, I don't like the way it feels', and the arm is perfectly healthy, would you seek to amputate the arm, or help the mind, even if that was a long and arduous journey? At no point would you actually consider amputating the arm, would you?

But when the mind says 'I don't like my genitals, they're wrong, I don't like the way they feel' we should do the exact opposite? Really?

I think it's very likely that the child will desist after puberty

Yup. If by 'desist' you mean 'die'. Because that is also likely.

Evidence suggests that four in five pre-pubertal children diagnosed with GID do not go on to experience the condition in adulthood.

Sorry, nope, that's been debunked here: www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/the-end-of-the-desistance_b_8903690.html

It's exactly that kind of crap that I'm trying to fight against. Because you are basically saying 'oh they will probably grow out of it, don't do anything'.

I think medical transition is a very poor outcome for anyone

Unfortunately the evidence on all respected long term research into the outcome on trans people (you know, the like 5 articles I linked that are all proper scientific research from all over the world) is that medical transition is a much better outcome.

You are of course entitled to have an opinion. But opinion does not outweigh fact.

And for the poor mum's dealing with trans children they need facts, outcomes and science. Not your incorrect opinions.

Rufus I acknowledge some people have a wish to live life as the opposite sex. However at the moment medicinal intervention can only attempt to maintain the outward appearance of the opposite sex; it one cannot even begin to change someone's sex and will never 'catch up'. It may be distressing to have to accept this but wishing it different does not make it so. i could have lipsuction to make me 'thin' but I will still have unseen fat around my internal organs that would impact on my health even if people compliment my trim tum.

And furthermore, you are also massively restricting their chances of future happiness in a fulfilling sexual relationship

As evidenced by poor Jazz Jennings saying that the straight boys she know won't date her because it's 'social suicide'. No that's not why it's because you're not female and they're heterosexual. Her parents have lied to her about what she can be and its tragic.

And furthermore, you are also massively restricting their chances of future happiness in a fulfilling sexual relationship.

Atransmum

So it's better to bring up kids in lies and Half-truths? I'll repeat. If my DD became an anorexic there is no way in God's high heavens would I bring her to a 'charity' 'nhs agency' or anyone anywhere that said 'OK you're anorexic.let's get you some liposuction ASAP'

It's been said time and time again that 'childrens' brains aren't fully developed until they are 25. How anyone can justify claiming Thierry son is gay at 18 months and transgender at 3 years of age is beyond me.

But, real transgender adults are not my problem my problem are parents pandering to children's "feeling' or worse, forcing their own gender issues on their children. And men with fully functional penises in women's spaces. Just because they feel like a woman when I have yet to read an answer to the question

'What does being a woman feel like'?

Not because I hate trans people or wish they didn't exist, but because I think medical transition is a very poor outcome for anyone. I would support my child to live, dress and present however they wished though.

Evidence suggests that four in five pre-pubertal children diagnosed with GID do not go on to experience the condition in adulthood.

I'm hoping this will reassure those parents on here who are going through distressing times.

Or c) do both

If a child has gender dysphoria how on earth does lying to them help? So they get the hormones, the surgery, top and bottom. Yet despite all of this painful, invasive, sterilising surgery, and (probably shortened) lifetime of hormones a MtT does not have a female body - they have a sophisticated copy of a female body. Their vagina needs constant dilation, and does not lead to the cervix and uterus because they don't have one. They will never menstruate. A FtT will never have a properly functioning penis and cannot ejaculate.How much would that fuck you up - to have all this surgery that TBH can't even get you close to the male or female body that you crave.

I think it's very likely that the child will desist after puberty. I would not allow my child to come into contact with any gender therapist at all. Instead I would find a gender critical therapist who used evidence based interventions.