woman loses residency of son she was raising as daughter

On the judge's ruling my DD would be taken from me.  But my DD identifies as female, she just likes to follow interests in things that some in society see as "male".

As others have said , you clearly can't have read the judgement fully or properly to come to that bizarre conclusion.

V interesting links prawn thanks

Prawnofthepatriarchy that is very damning indeed. How are they the ones that the NHS signpost to here?

This blog describes Mermaids CEO Susan Green as "a mother who flew her gay son to the US at age 12 to medically retard his reproductive system, then to Thailand at the age of 16 to have him surgically castrated," a claim so damning that if it weren't true Mermaids or Susan Green herself would have been able to get it removed like a shot. So I can only assume that it is true.

The blog also links to very disturbing claims made by Mermaids. These claims have since been removed from Google searches. Fortunately for us, another blog Transgender Trend has preserved and reposted them, with this comment:

“When you can’t answer questions, call people ignorant and prejudiced” seems to be the favoured bullying tactic of transactivists everywhere as a means of stifling debate.

Is this the level of professionalism we are happy to accept in a group purporting to support children and young people? Mermaids’ by-line on their website is ‘Embrace Empower Educate.’ Maybe it should be ‘Don’t Ask Questions.’

Mermaids' Tweets in response to the ruling make it clear how blinkered and cultlike they are. I think, as iPost said, that this isn't the last nail in the coffin of transing children, but the ruling is definitely one nail and should give pause to professionals who mindlessly parrot transactivist rhetoric. The response by Mermaids may provide a second nail: they look as bonkers as they are, leading increasing numbers of people to question their agenda.

Interestingly, although the story is covered by the gay site, Pink News, with a transactivist slant, some of the comments are very critical of child transition. Gay men and lesbians are beginning to see past the propaganda to the blatant homophobia of trans ideology.

I'm not transphobic either. I don't hate trans people. Just wanted to say that.

I don't think most of us on FWR are transphobic- despite the slurs. We just have very real concerns about (as the judge put it) the prevailing orthodoxy

I agree.

There is another mother, whose user name I can't remember in a similar situation to yours who has posted a few times on these types of threads. If anyone can remember who she is, it might be helpful for you to be in touch with her.

Even if the kid was really trans there was other abuse taking place. Do transactivists not care about that?

Yeah that article is very disturbing and revealing connections to the family may reveal their identities which the judge ruled should not happen. Trans people are insisting on having the last word in this, it's just ridiculous that they think they know better than a judge! How blinkered and cult like does transactivism have to be to be happier that a child is abused than turns out not to be trans after all? Do they want all people to be trans?! How do they know the kid was really trans?!

I'm really astonished at some responses to this judgement. This has been published in the Huffington post www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/fox-fisher/trans-child-court-case-mother_b_12597718.html

It's an open letter from a trans campaigner to the child. This section in particular sends up huge red flags: You were headstrong and five years old. I bet you can’t bear having to live your life as a boy, the gender you were assigned at birth.. Adults telling a child how they how they should feel! It's very bizarre. Have they not read the full judgement?? They are doing exactly what they are criticising the judge for doing.

Elsa, thank you for posting. I'm sorry you have been worried about doing that because of the unfounded idea that FWR posters are "transphobic". I hope you feel you can continue to post and become part of the FWR family.

You sound like the perfect mother of a child with GID. Giving them time and space to explore who they are and who they want to be.

Elsa - I'm in a terrible rush today but just wanted to thank you for your candid posts. Your child is lucky to have you as a mother. Your perspective is not remotely unwelcome - far from it! I don't think most of us on FWR are transphobic- despite the slurs. We just have very real concerns about (as the judge put it) the prevailing orthodoxy.

I hope your child finds peace in themselves, however they end up identifying

Mermaids are extremely sinister and I think need a review if tax payer organisations are referring to them

God, the full transcript is so upsetting to read. The mother is 100% emotionally abusive. I notice that supervised contact is only once a month now, and is in danger of being stopped completely as she keeps putting pressure on him about being a girl. And then he wets the bed.

Poor child.

I was very hesitant to post about trans issues on the feminist board given my family situation so thank you for all being so supportive

Cote, as well as what Elsa says, they are also writing to advertisers on MN to discourage them from advertising.

My BFFs DD always insisted she was a boy, wearing boys clothes and having very very short haircuts (from aged 3).
Now she's a teenager, still wearing mostly boys clothes and participates in a 'boys' sport to a high level.
She's definitely a girl....

Small children are being polarised into this pink/blue choice which is frankly ridiculous.

I'm 40, I don't wear dresses and my favour colour is blue -no one thinks I want to be a boy, but if I was 6???

From what I read they are planning to/already have emailed MNHQ repeatedly, separately and together, and they intend to/already are coming on the boards when a trans thread comes up and will all back each other up. I was kicked off at the start of them planning to tackle 'transphobia' on here so I'm not sure what else they were planning.

On the judge's ruling my DD would be taken from me. confused But my DD identifies as female, she just likes to follow interests in things that some in society see as "male".

Have you actually read the ruling? Because I can't see how it could apply to you - unless you are forcing your DD to be interested in those things and not letting her choose her own interests. I somehow doubt you are.

"i would absolutely never recommend mermaids to anyone, they are dangerous (and currently have a campaign between themselves to stop what they perceive as transphobia on MN)."

Interesting. And how do they propose to tackle MN?

Four groups lodged concerns in this case: anonymous people (presumably other parents), schools, health care professionals and the police.

One of the concerns raised by HCPs was that the mother was informing them that her child had a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, despite no such diagnosis ever having been made. That would be where the Munchausens by Proxy worry comes in.

That surely raises concerns about the proposals for allowing self identification - anybody who says they are trans is trans, or in the case of young children, anybody's whose parents say they are is.

The NHS classes being trans as a medical condition. We know it involves treatments up to and including surgery. There is no other medical condition you can self identify as having. If we allow people to self identify into having a medical condition, it creates a massive loophole for people with Munchausens to exploit.

For the woman in question, I know how it feels to go up against an authority figure because you disagree over your child (I am sure many people do). The conflict between different groups over trans ideology (accepted it seems very greatly by SS but far less by the NHS) is surely itself exacerbating disagreements between parents and professionals, and increasing feelings of isolation and victimisation, because one side is uncritically backing whoever calls out trans.

Heathen4Hire I don't think that's true. I think the judgement was clumsily-worded at times, but I did not read it as "child J prefers Spongebob, so is clearly a boy". I don't know why J does prefer Spongebob - it may be because he's not been allowed to like the things he sees other boys liking, which in this heavily-gendered world is more likely to be Spongebob than nail polish, and so he's now making up for lost time - but the key thing here is that the court found that the mum was imposing her wishes on the kid - and insisting on this in the face of discomfort from the kid, rather than allowing the kid to find their own identity.

The reason the child was removed from her mother is NOT just that the mother was forcing the child to transition, it was because she was emotionally and sexually abusing them and starving them.

The transing stuff was merely further evidence of the other's inability to safely care for her child.

The full transcript makes this abundantly clear

Yes, Elsa. I'd like to echo everything that Ageing Runner and Archery Annie have said about you your child and coming on here to tell your story. I assume that you are aware of transgendertrend? I am not 100% sure they are quite what you are looking for, but they do offer an alternative viewpoint to the cult.

No a pit, a picture

My son was looking at a pit of me as a child recently and said 'you look like a boy!' I said 'yes I used to get that a lot'
I had more or less forgotten that I really did want to be a boy. It just looked more fun. I'm so so glad that it was before being trans was a thing. I think a lot of children probably felt the same but it was just accepted as a phase and not made a big deal of.