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Ched Evans verdict

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FreshwaterSelkie · 14/10/2016 16:12

to continue the discussion as the previous thread closed.

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FayKorgasm · 14/10/2016 16:40

A very cynical world weary part of me wonders if she said I feel like I am a man then it would be clear cut rape. Depressing.

BeyondPolkadots · 14/10/2016 16:38

If she had sex with these ex boyfriends when she was unable to consent too, all that proves is that they are also guilty of rape!!

PippaFawcett · 14/10/2016 16:38

I will not read any Daily Mail articles on the subject.

StrawberrytallCake · 14/10/2016 16:35

I wonder if it's the details released on the attempts to get the original verdict quashed they have been reporting on? In the trial this week the witnesses vehemently denied receiving any money.

I doubt they ever will but I'm sure they're expecting it!

Lorelei76 · 14/10/2016 16:35

So is the court system endorsing the idea that penises are interchangeable? In which case, let's get rid of men and just use vibrators. The courts have endorsed it. Or we could lobotomise them.

Wait, maybe someone did that already.

Spookybitch · 14/10/2016 16:34

So it looks like Massey messaged the (prosecution witness) hotel receptionist on Facebook:

"We are appealing for new information and there's a £50,000 reward for any new evidence.

"Do you know anything that could help Ched? X"'

Not a bribe, just the 'flavour of a bribe' apparently. How the fuck that's legal is beyond me.

arsenaltilidie · 14/10/2016 16:33

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3832198/Ched-Evans-arrives-court-second-day-cross-examination.html

According to an ex lover, she had sex with him [ex lover] and not remembered what happened the night before.
But I think the crucial evidence was apparently there was a particular "phrase" she used on Ched Evans that she has also used on the ex lover.

PippaFawcett · 14/10/2016 16:33

I'm reading the exact opposite on Twitter - that his girlfriend 'coached' them and they were paid £50k each. Could be an echo chamber, I suppose but the Guardian article suggests a link.

StrawberrytallCake · 14/10/2016 16:30

In the daily case updates from court Pippa the mirror, walesonline news and various twitter accounts of journalists who were in the courtroom.

Dervel · 14/10/2016 16:29

All I will say on the legal aid charity idea, is there will be no shortage of work. Plenty of fish in barrel cases for solicitors and barristers to make a name on.

All it needs is funding.

PippaFawcett · 14/10/2016 16:29

Strawberry, where have you read that?

PippaFawcett · 14/10/2016 16:28

Exactly. I cannot believe that it is legal to entice someone to give evidence and for it to be admissable in court. I am utterly ashamed of our legal process.

StrawberrytallCake · 14/10/2016 16:28

Pippa one witness denied receiving any money and the other said they hadn't heard about a reward until 2 days before testifying.

Dervel · 14/10/2016 16:27

So a get out of jail free card costs £100,000, good to know... :-(

BeyondPolkadots · 14/10/2016 16:26

And yes, allegedly there was a £50k reward (per person) for 'info that helps clear The Rapist Ched Evans'

PippaFawcett · 14/10/2016 16:25

Read this: www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/14/footballer-ched-evans-cleared-of-in-retrial

It appears the £50k was given to the witnesses.

Goingtobeawesome · 14/10/2016 16:25

It was horrible reading all the comments about the girls previous relationships. She might have enjoyed certain things. Doesn't mean she wasn't raped.

Dervel · 14/10/2016 16:25

Whilst of course those charities mentioned do valuable work and may be able to branch out, I was thinking along the lines of amnesty, as I think they get involved in legal cases from time to time.

BeyondPolkadots · 14/10/2016 16:24

That's basically it, merry mouse

As someone put it on another thread;
Drunk and promiscuous = unrapeable

:( Angry

redandblackwhitething · 14/10/2016 16:24

Pippa. Are you serious?

WomanWithAltitude · 14/10/2016 16:23

I have standing orders each month to Rape Crisis, Nia (who provided me with an ISVA), and Women's Aid. I'd happily add a legal aid charity for victims of VAWG to that list.

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PippaFawcett · 14/10/2016 16:22

It appears that her former partners were paid £50k each to testify in court and were spoken to by Evans' girlfriend beforehand. How is that not a bribe?

This whole thing stinks and it makes me very depressed.

merrymouse · 14/10/2016 16:22

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I don't understand how the situations are similar - she met the two men before she had sex with them. She had not met Ched Evans before he broke into the hotel room. The defence seems to be that a certain kind of woman can't be raped.

WomanWithAltitude · 14/10/2016 16:22

There are existing charities that help women, but don't provide financial support for civil cases AFAIK. Rights of Women, Women Against Rape, the End Violence Against Women Coalition, Rape Crisis.

Is this a campaign/idea that existing charities might want to get involved with?

Having said that, the funding situation for these organisations is dire at the moment. They may well feel that they are better off using their limited resources to sustain existing work rather than funding court cases.

Violence against women isn't a popular or trendy thing to raise money for, I don't think they get much charitable giving compared to other charities.