Ched Evans verdict

Absolutely disgusting. Poor woman, I believe you.

Great day for women this, consent to one man = consent to all men.

So now we know how to successfully defend a rape case no matter how good the evidence is. Get one of your mates to say they've had sex with her before and she liked it. Sorted.
Great job, British legal system!

The whole thing is thoroughly disturbing.
My heart goes out to that poor woman - who didn't even bring this case.

Pinkissimo I just have to hope that I brought up my DS as my father brought me up - to make such a thing unthinkable. I believe so. But so, I expect, did CE's father.

As for the reward, is it different from a reward being offered leading to a successful prosecution?

Indominus makes a good point. When DH and I were discussing it earlier and I said women should be taking some action or a stand against this, he said the only people who can actually stop this are men, and one of the most valuable ways is to educate our sons as to what real consent means and instill in them the correct values.

We as women can, and indeed I think we should, take action, but the only people who can truly prevent women being raped, are men.

I feel so angry about this. It's a travesty of justice.

I cannot find the words, I am incredulous about this verdict.
Will come back to this when it has sunk in
Just wanted to say I would donate.

Evans could probably afford to pay damages, like the man who won the lottery. But they are unusual. What would be the use of a civil claim against a man with no significant assets? There is no imprisonment for debt on a civil judgment (nor should there be) so a judgment would be just a piece of paper with the seal of the court on it.

The criminal process is over, done with, ended, and the DPP can do nothing more about it.

I can't get my head round this : A jury of seven women and five men . . .

Well, they heard the evidence and one of us did.

Yes, as a society we should stop others abusing others. Sadly, we all too often turn a blind eye to protect ourselves or in disbelief that people can be so degradingly cruel to others.

Having no real understanding of the law, can someone with a bit more knowledge explain how a judge can prevent the jury knowing the new 'witnesses' were offered money to give 'evidence'?

Surely, if the judge knew they were potentially paid, then they should have disallowed the evidence. What is the possible reasoning for the judge doing this?

All the tea metaphors and positive affirmation education in the world can't compete with a judicial system like this. If this is 'locker room banter', if a 'teammate' is there to stand aside and let you take a turn, if 'well she liked it before' counts as evidence, then women can't win, nothing we do will work. Men have to stop this. They have to stop each other.

I hope someone's looking after his victim. She'll be very vulnerable right now.

From now on rapes will only be successfully prosecuted if the woman is also beaten to within an inch of her life, by a complete stranger and said woman has never had sex with anyone else.

What disturbs me most, other than what happened that night, is:

1. A convicted rapist can appeal using statements from men he has paid to provide 'evidence'
2. That 'evidence' is actually about the rape victims' previous sexual encounters with these men. Nothing to do with the night in question. I stupidly thought it was against the law to bring up previous sexual encounters. How many women have said those common phrases?
3. That 'evidence' is purely hearsay as it is the rapist saying 'she used this phrase' and then the man agreeing 'yes, she used it with me too'. It is not solid 'evidence' at all. It could be a total fabrication.

Even writing it out makes me wonder what the hell this is all about?! How the hell is the defendant allowed to pay for 'evidence' which is actually previous sexual encounters? Let's roll back the clock 20 odd years. All those women in court having to fight for the right for consensual sex and to not have the old 'she dressed like a slut so...' or 'she talked like a slut so...' or 'she had sex two days ago so....' sort of bollocks rolled out was a total waste of time then.

So the facts:

A £50,000 reward for new information requested by Massey via Facebook.

Two new witnesses describing that they had drunken sex with the victim before and after the event and that the victim had used a phrase also used in the night in question.

End.

Now there are those arguing that she also had no recollection of what happened after sex with the two new witnesses. Is this also right? If so how was this established?

We often joke that the only rapes that have a chance of a conviction are those rare occasions where a stranger jumps out of a dark alleyway.

Here we have a stranger breaking into a dark hotel room and immediately penetrating a very drunk woman without saying a word to her.

But that's not enough to make it rape.

So. Fucked. Up.

Felas Thank you. I take it all back - I had no idea the phrase had been made public.

Thanks Felascloak no point in me emailing my MP, he's most likely tweeting about drunk sluts etc.

Oh christ just realised its on feminism. Ill back off now then...

I cannot understand how this could be possible. My daughter didn't go to the police as she thought nobody would believe her - seems she was right. What kind of world do we live in that this could possibly happen.

I think its the right verdict. He didnt do it. The police pushed a case that wasn't there..

Well that's it then. Absolutely no pint in reporting a rape unless you were a virgin beforehand and dressed from head to toe in a sackcloth and it was committed by someone jumping out of a bush in broad daylight. How is this allowed?

Yeah, if people pm me I will send them c&p of my email and who I've sent it to. Might take me a week to do it though.
Best if you tailor it slightly otherwise your MP might ignore it.

Not true cadno see this mirror article from 2012
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ched-evans-and-clayton-mcdonald-rape-798633

Felascloak, I'm not very eloquent, if you email the Attorney General is there any chance you could share it so that others can do the same?