Ched Evans verdict

Urgh, I'm gutted at this shameful verdict. Also I've just had a message on Facebook from someone I unfriended over this when it first came out, gloating with a newspaper link to his 'innocence'. there'll be rapists and rape apologists probably the world over celebrating this travesty of justice.

It may not be a decisive factor in the verdict (whether a woman was out having casual sex a week later and shouting the same phrases as during the supposed crime) but it has to be a consideration.*

Er no, it doesn't have to be a consideration. The fact that she would be happy to have sex with somebody else (casual or otherwise) has no bearing on whether she would have sex with you.

Venusinscorpio...you're moving away from intelligent discussion again. If you are someone who has no consideration for the rape accused, either in this case or in general then your views are irrelevant as you clearly are not willing to be balanced.

What's a decent interval before a woman can have sex again after being raped, gh? Do tell, you clearly have all the answers.

Why don't we just go the whole hog...take every woman's word for it and give men zero power over their lives

OK, now you're being illogical.

Men have complete power here. Just don't have sex. Men have total power to not every be accused of being a rapist, by just never having sex.

There. Done.

CharlieSierra...on the other thread quite a few posters have clearly and explicitly stated they dont care about the verdict and proceeded to call him a rapist. That is wrong. Do you not agree?

Those people may want to ask for their posts to be deleted as anytjing said on a forum is public and the offender is liable to be sued.

Rape is not about sex. It's about power.

You're right. I have zero consideration for Ched.

Women are people - I've had regrettable sex for Christs sake, but, I know that it wasn't rape. It was rape when my boyfriend at the time continued to force his penis in despite my hands on his chest pushing him away, and me saying 'NO, NO, STOP'. BTW - I stayed with that boyfriend for another 3 months, and never reported it because, well, rape victims all behave differently, and we know that given my word against his, his will be believed

I think that if you're so worried about women deciding to put themselves through a court case after having sex with you, that you should probably entirely refrain from sex, because, even my most regrettable, bad sex has never left me wanting to go through a rape kit/police/court case, so you must be truly awful.

Really not poor logic. Non-rapists manage it every time they have sex.

Again. How many women do you think maliciously accuse men of raping them after consensual sex, vs. how many men rape women but assume they'll get away with it? How many 'vindictive nutter' women are there, vs men who try it on with drunken women?

As a single man it is pretty frightening to think that a woman after a few drinks and sex could accuse me of rape, ruin my life and this is what the reaction of people towards me would be.

Don't worry, there are some key things in the CE case that it's pretty easy to avoid - you can actually meet the woman and get to know her before sex, for instance.

You do realise, don't you, Gh05, that she didn't accuse him of anything. She didn't remember a thing. She reported a stolen handbag. The police interviewed Evans and decided on the basis of his testimony - letting himself into a hotel room with a pass key obtained by deception, asking his mate if he could "have a go" with a woman two witnesses described as drunk to the stage of insensibility, then doing a runner down the fire escape - the police decided he had incriminated himself and they had enough evidence, based on his own testimony, to get the CPS to prosecute. No accusation from her at all.

Or are you really too thick to grasp that? Or simply trolling?

Oh god don't engage with this thicko.

Tell you what, Gh05, just don't have sex. Then none of us need to be worried.

Venusinscorpio...no i'm not peddlying 'rape myths'. You seem to have zero consideration for the accused. It may not be a decisive factor in the verdict (whether a woman was out having casual sex a week later and shouting the same phrases as during the supposed crime) but it has to be a consideration. What's the point in having a case at all otherwise? Why don't we just go the whole hog...take every woman's word for it and give men zero power over their lives.

anna, yes, the objectivity thing confused me too.

Chocchocporridge, there is literally zero logic in this quote:

"But that's entirely in the hands of the bloke. Don't have sex with women unless you're certain. It's easy, I've done it all my life."

By the way this quote has to be taken in the context of what it is responding to. It is clearly not 'entirely in the hands of the bloke' if a woman later decides she regrets sex and accuses a man of rape OR is just a bit of a vindictive nutter and falsely accuses a man of rape. For it to be 'completely in the hands of the bloke' he would need to be a fortune teller.

Really poor logic.

BTW - both my DP (male) and I have had lots of drunken sex with lots of people, and also not had drunken sex with lots of people, and had lots of sex with non-drunken people and somehow both managed to make it to nearly 40 with not a single rape accusation between us, because, and this is an important point, we are not rapists.

If we have any concern that the person may not be 100% wanting to have sex, then we don't. It's not complicated, there are no grey areas, just, if you're not sure, then don't have sex.

Don't be scared. Control yourself and don't have sex with a woman if you're worried about that possibility. Problem solved.

Your comments about how you expect rape victims to behave are naive and offensive.

ChocChocPorridge There was a really interesting thread on here about exactly what you say - rapists define consent. Unfortunately, my search skills have escaped me. This case is a classic example. The men in the room and the jury decided on her consent. Her opinion? Worthless. In fact, her voice wasn't really heard in this case. Of course it wasn't - she couldn't remember. So the male dominant voice held sway.

It scares me that the jury took so little time to consider the verdict - how low is the bar that deserves more contemplation?

If it's not always the case as I "claimed", why on earth should it be a consideration? You're just perpetuating rape myths.

Have you actually got any idea of the number of false accusations of rape? Or the chance of being convicted following a false accusation? Clearly it's practically fucking impossible to be convicted even if you admit to it!!!

As a single man it is pretty frightening to think that a woman after a few drinks and sex could accuse me of rape, ruin my life and this is what the reaction of people towards me would be.

As a single woman, it's pretty frightening to think that a man after a few drinks and raping me could say that it wasn't rape, ruin my live and this is what the reaction of people towards me would be

Now, look at the differences - who has the control? You do. Be the change. If you're worried about being accused of rape, then only have sex with women when you're both sober. Wait 4 or 5 hours, it'll be better, and you won't have the risk of a rape accusation because you won't be risking raping someone.

This is a long way back in the thread, but just to say that I don't regard objectivity to be masculine. It is anti-female bias in the justice system that I don't like, not objectivity, and it is a bloody dangerous road to say that objectivity is masculine, WTF?

Objectively, the idea of paying non-expert witnesses for their memory of events would seem to taint the evidence. TBH paying expert witnesses is a fairly murky area.

Speaknowords, i think it suggest in general that your state of mind is possibly better than someone who is so traumatised that they dont want anyone touching them as was the case of my ex gf. I admit that this may not always be the case as the other poster claims...perhaps you can be so distraught that you just become reckless or simply want to go on as normal. But i do think it has to be a consideration in the case because lets not forget (and i know a lot of you don't like doing this), but a mans life is at stake too and that man who must be presumef innocent u til guilty is worth just as much as that woman. I get the impression on this forum from what I have read that certain posters harbour q lot of hate towards men and do not even consider those who are falsely accused.

As a single man it is pretty frightening to think that a woman after a few drinks and sex could accuse me of rape, ruin my life and this is what the reaction of people towards me would be.

Gh, I note you also say the judge was okay with the money that changed hands.

The law evolves partly when judges make crazy decisions. I think this will go down in history as one of them tbh.

Like Elondon, I also wonder if you believe sex workers can be raped.