Ched Evans verdict

Do not worry too much. We're alright.

You know of course that you're more likely to be raped than be falsely accused of rape don't you Gh?

Of course, since so many people apparently think like you, should you be raped, I'm sure that you'll believe that it's your vindictive accusation ruining that poor man's life, not a rapist ruining yours once someone from the courts explains how your having sex previously makes it totally fine for other people to have sex with you.

Poor the menz! Will no-one think about the rapists menz?!

Lorelei76...thats a cop out. I've made a few very clear and important points. I can't possinly reply to every pent up response but what I can do is state that it is not really fair that a man can have his life ruined by a woman who decides to falsely accuse him and her identity can remain hidden even if it were the most ridiculous false rape accusation in the world.

And there is a lot of nonsense coming back in this thread. At some point the woman would have had to say 'i believe i have been raped' (or words to that effect) for the CPS to do anything with it.

All evidence was not heard.

Chocchocporridge what are you on about? A man has power because he xan choose not to have sex? You don't seem to be able to understand. We are talking about the ability of a woman to falsely accuse after a sexual act has taken place. Are you going to suggest that this doesn't happen?

HOW OFTEN DO YOU THINK THIS HAPPENS? This isn't like accusing someone of nicking your watch - you'll go for invasive medical testing, you'll be grilled by the police, then you'll go to court and have your entire sexual history raked through. Exactly how many women do you think are prepared to do that?

Of COURSE you have the power. If this is a concern, then don't have sex. Don't put your penis in anyone. Super easy, entirely within your control.

You seem not to be able to understand, I'm seriously worried about any women you encounter, because you apparently have trouble figuring out if a woman is consenting, and think that they'll turn around and accuse you of rape the next morning on a whim! You must be a terrible judge of women! Honestly, wait until they are sober, and straight out ask if they'll have sex. Whilst having sex, check again that they are fine with it at various points. If at any point they say no, immediately stop.

Generally, this kind of advice isn't necessary, but since you seem to be finding the whole concept so hard, I think you need to go back to basics.

At least have the most basic facts to hand, gh05, if you're going to try to argue about it.

Cross post - no she didn't. Read the bloody transcript of the first court case, or the first of Evans' applications for appeal. She didn't say at any point "I was raped". She told the police she had no recollections of the night in question. The entire case was built on his testimony to the police.

Fuck me, you really are the thickest troll I've encountered in a long time.

Thing is you don't seem that concerned about getting it wrong the other way, gh. Which is a far more common outcome I assure you when you look at how many reported rapes end in a conviction of someone for rape.

6%.

Gh, no, the woman doesn't have to press charges. The CPS went ahead with this case. In fact it's ironic that you express concern about a woman maybe accusing you....mate of mine was accused of assault by the CPS after the victim failed to identify him in a line up. CPS went ahead with prosecuting. Mate just happened to be in the vicinity and be the right height with brown hair or whatever. Luckily the judge threw it out but it was a long horrible situation.

tbh the fact that you are commenting here without knowing the facts of the case means - I'm out. You asked for intelligent conversation, there's plenty here, but it appears you are the one who has not troubled to take account of any facts.

Gh05 are you the one who signed up to tell us all not to libel CE, or the one who started the now deleted thread? I forget...

I still believe the accused deserves the chance to a fair trial

Yes, I think everyone would agree that everybody has a right to a fair trial, but I'm not sure how that is relevant. Nobody has argued for an unfair trial.

I still believe the accused deserves the chance to a fair trial where all evidence is heard

All the evidence in this case wasn't heard. And some things were given in evidence which were irrelevant.

You are ignorant of the facts of the case, the legal process involved, the statistics on false rape accusations (the Home Office, that well known bastion of radical feminism, puts the false accusation rape at about 3%, broadly in line with other crimes) and have shown no understanding of the psychological aftermath of rape. Instead you're spouting one rape myth after another. Yes, you are a troll - because of your complete ignorance of facts, and your adherence to vicious rape myths.

Bloody hell, I wish MN had a "hide poster" button.

What I mean is at some point the woman would have to say 'yes i was raped' in order for the CPS to take her case forward. "Agree to press charges" then if you want to be pedantic.

Gh05 clearly knows very little about this case from what s/he's just posted. Yet wants an intelligent debate apparently

Venusinscorpio..well that is sad and i am sorry you went through that however I still believe the accused deserves the chance to a fair trial where all evidence is heard. Rape cases are extremely complex and difficult for the very reason that is often him versus her. Get it wrong either way and a life can be ruined.

Also, the woman would have had to press charges I presume.

Not in a criminal case. That isn't how the system works.

You really are a numpty, aren't you? No, the woman does not have to press charges. That is done by the CPS. You clearly know absolutely nothing about English legal process.

we are talking about the ability of a woman to falsely accuse after a sexual act has taken place. Are you going to suggest that this doesn't happen?

No, we are talking about the police putting a case before the CPS based on evidence they had gathered, mainly from the defendant and witnesses.

Mostlyhet... Calling someone a troll when they are actively engaging in a debate is weak. It's not my fault if people on here are so biased that their logic is way off.

Also, the woman would have had to press charges I presume. Regardless of when that occured.

I won't tell you what I did in the months after my rape, gh. I'm sure you'd disapprove of my unseemly behaviour. Like many rape victims (yes, it is a thing) I went into a bit of a downward spiral. It was quite a dark time in my life. Because I didn't believe in my own bodily autonomy. That's what rape does to some people. I didn't value myself enough or respect myself enough to think I should say no.

It is clearly not 'entirely in the hands of the bloke' if a woman later decides she regrets sex and accuses a man of rape OR is just a bit of a vindictive nutter and falsely accuses a man of rape

This is profoundly stupid. Have you paid any attention at all to what this woman has gone through? Do you seriously think that 'vindictive nutters' falsely accuse men of rape and get them convicted.

Do some research. Educate yourself and stop perpetuating rape myths.

Chocchocporridge what are you on about? A man has power because he xan choose not to have sex? You don't seem to be able to understand. We are talking about the ability of a woman to falsely accuse after a sexual act has taken place. Are you going to suggest that this doesn't happen?

It's a good thing that your logic would be laughed at in court.

I see our new resident troll is totally avoiding the fact - not speculation, fact - that it was not the woman who brought the accusation. It was the police. On the basis of Evans' own testimony.