Ched Evans verdict

Batteries I feel exactly the same.

Milko why do you feel that he thinks he had consent?

So angry right now at this verdict.

I can't even put into words how sickened I am.

Urgh. 'Fuck me harder' is such a porn phrase. It's exactly the kind of thing an abusive partner would demand you say, or that a drunk rapist would imagine you'd said.

I can't believe that was admitted as if it was some kind of code.

I never reported my rapes. No one would believe me. Have always regretted I didn't have the strength to report but now - well maybe it was the right thing after all. Who knows how much more damage a shitty trial would have done.

What does this admission of previous sexual activity as evidence mean for marital rape then? Not that I can imagine the conviction rape for that is much above 0.

So depressing.

LOL you haven't bothered to learn anything about this case have you gh? Bye then.

GH you are actually the thickest person I have ever come across on mumsnet.

How the fuck can you think your opinion means shit when you know fuck all about the case.

SHE DID NOT ACCUSE ANYONE OF RAPE.

Dumbass.

How odd - I'm not a man hater at all .

I'm a feminist, and I believe that both men and women should have a fair trial. All too frequently women do not get a fair trial when they have been the victim of rape or a serious sexual assault - everyone other than MRAs acknowledge that the reporting rate of rape is too low and the conviction rate is even lower. That is what concerns me right here, right now, especially as the CE verdict has just set back the progress made on both these counts immeasurably.

Milko, if your DS was the type to break into a hotel room where his friend was having sex with a very drunk woman and then stick his cock in her without ever speaking to her, I think you'd be right to be worried. Does that sound like a reasonable belief in consent to you? Really?

Milko, do you suspect your son might act like CE did that night If so, get on it now - education on consensual sex, and not sleeping with girls so drunk that everyone they come into contact with will testify that they were drunk out of their minds. FGS it's not difficult.

You should really also tell him not to lie his way into darkened hotel rooms where his mate is having sex with a girl, have sex with her without saying one solitary word to her, or knowing her name, before making his way out of the fire exit. While he has a girlfriend. But that's just good manners and being a decent human being isn't it?

I have sons too, and a daughter. I fear for her in the wake of this case, quite frankly.

I find it mildly interesting that Gh objects so strongly to swearing on a women dominated forum. I suspect he wouldn't do the same on a male dominated forum.

Mind you I suspect he wouldn't go on to a male dominated forum and tell them how they should be behaving and feeling on a crime he clearly knows nothing about and in reality will probably never be a victim of. He saves that special interaction for the little women who need putting back in their box.

Ched Evans would have later been questioned about whether he had sex with her but at some point she has said that she didn't consent ...even if she did at the time.

I'm not sure what this sentence even means.

I think that what may have happened is at some point she has become embarassed with the public image of her having sex with two men in one evening and regretted that/made a rape accusation.

Read about the case. The victim did not make a rape accusation. She reported a stolen handbag to the police. In their investigations, they were given a statement from Evans that indicated that he had had sex with her without her consent. She didn't know that Evans had had sex with her until the police told her. There was no "public image of her having sex with two men" for her to then become "embarrassed" about.

Seriously, get some background knowledge to the case before you come on here trolling.

Are you not worried about lives he could ruin if he stuck his cock into semi conscious women without asking for consent Miko?

Elendon You say (about the jury) Another given is having a disproportionate ratio of men to women, with women being the majority.

Practically all the exemptions to jury service have gone and there are as near as damn it equal numbers of men and women on every list of those summoned for jury service. (Slightly more men than women get excused for work reasons and slightly more women than men for family reasons, which confirms what we already knew about this society, but the differences are not significant).

Then it is the first twelve names out a hat, and the right of the defence to object to a certain number without cause was abolished sometime in the Eighties. So seven women and five men was pure chance.

venus I hope you are right that gh can change. none of us are beyond redemption.

Easy Milko just tell your DS not to stick his cock into any women without checking she wants him to.

So i had to post under a different name, i presume because i got banned or my account suspended. If that is the case then it really says a hell of a lot about the bias on here that people can swear and abuse someone for posting a point of view that they don't like even if the person posting those points is simply debating quite reasonably... Anyway, for that i will make this my last post as it is clearlt pointless if people are so precious that they will silence those who disagree with them.

Chocchocporridge. Get a grip.. And while you're at it stop trying to provoke me with accusations about my character or ability to judge people. If we were having an actual formal debate then anyone overseeing it would have shot you down there.

It is a matter of concern for any man that he could have his like ruined so easily by a false rape conviction. It doesn't matter how often it happens and quite frankly nobody can ever have a damn clue how often it happens because rape cases are so difficult. The important point is that the accused is given as much of a fair hearing as the accuser and that afterward when the accused is found not guilty, he (or she) are allowed to have their lives back as they were without people calling them a rapist. To do is despicable and that is what is so wrong on this forum and what prompted me to sign up and say so.

OlennasWimple... I presume that comments like yours are exactly why MRA people don't take feminism seriously. If you harbour such hatred that you mock the thought of men being given fair trials or the the idea that men can have their lives ruined with a false accusation then you have some issues.

ElizabethG81... That is a fair point (CPS taking a case forward in the case of domestic violence) however I still do not believe for a second that the girl in question at some point did not tell the police that she thought she had been raped. Ched Evans would have later been questioned about whether he had sex with her but at some point she has said that she didn't consent ...even if she did at the time. It is a messy case but at the end of the day the man is found not guilty. I personally think what he did was pretty sleazy but I don't think he raped her. I think that what may have happened is at some point she has become embarassed with the public image of her having sex with two men in one evening and regretted that/made a rape accusation.

Anyway thats me done...i do find it concerning how the rights of men are so easily dismisses on this forum. Not in particular regard to this case but in general...and as I say I speak as someone who has been subjected fo sexual abuse and known a girl who was raped. So I don't day these things lightly. I can see why MRA will make examples of you given how some of you carry on.

Either way my original point for posting still stands...some of you need to be very careful with your choice of words. Calling a free man a rapist is very wrong and could land you in a lot of hot water. I'll leave you to it and hope you will consider that going forward.

Much as I think what he did was vile and reprehensible, I find it hard to say the jury made the wrong decision. The judge said the jury shd ask themselves 'are you sure the defendant did not reasonably believe the complainant was consenting'. From what I've read they couldn't have been sure. I think it's likely he did believe she was consenting. I have a ds and I'm uncomfortable with the idea a young man could have his life ruined and live with the label of rapist on the basis of an incident like this.

Gh05

Gh - "At some point the woman would have had to say 'i believe i have been raped' (or words to that effect) for the CPS to do anything with it."

Was going to ignore but i thought i would add my "no she doesnt at least try and have a basic grasp of the case" to the others

Gh05
CE admitted he did not seek consent from the complainant in this case.
He did break into a dark room and stick his penis into an intoxicated woman he had never spoken to.
He did allow the activities to be viewed and filmed without her knowledge and consent.
His girlfriend did contact and attempt to influence a key witness.
The new witnesses did know the 'magic words' required by the defence as they had been reported prior to their statements being given.
They were offered money to testify.
They did both change their statements several times

She didn't accuse him, the police charged him based on his own testimony.

Perhaps gh might have a little think now. He's just ignorant, he can change.

A sad and depressing day to be the mother of daughters.

I absolutely stand by the young woman whose life has probably been devastated by this ordeal. I hope she is surrounded by strong and supportive friends, family and professionals. I hope she knows she has done nothing wrong.

So much needs to be done to challenge the rape myths that pervade society.

I want to do something but feel so helpless.

Thanks beyond, likewise. It's shit

Here's a nice little info graphic for Gh...
(Along with the stat that as a man you are more likely to be raped than be falsely accused, already mentioned)

And venus, me too and it goes without saying that I believe you.

And there is a lot of nonsense coming back in this thread. At some point the woman would have had to say 'i believe i have been raped' (or words to that effect) for the CPS to do anything with it.

Wrong. The CPS can, and do, press charges without the victim's consent. If they have the evidence (which they had from CE's own mouth in this case), then they can proceed with the case. It's actually becoming quite common place for DV offences to be prosecuted in court without the victim's testimony.

The victim in this case reported a stolen handbag to the police. They investigated and linked CE to the hotel room. They interviewed him and he told them that he went into a room and had sex with a woman without speaking to her. The victim did not know that she had had sex with CE. She was unable to consent.

If you couldn't remember having sex with someone and woke up and went to report a lost item but then the police told you that someone you didn't know about had freely confessed that they had sex with you when you were drunk and vulnerable, you might want that dealt with too, gh.

Gh - "At some point the woman would have had to say 'i believe i have been raped' (or words to that effect) for the CPS to do anything with it."

no. Do your homework.

As for copout - you failed to mention the one thing that would have made me more inclined to continue the discussion - the option to make the accused anonymous as well as the victim.

As for the nonsense you think is coming at you on this thread, I have been calm, rational, logical and talked about points of law. I haven't directed any "nonsense" at you. But if I'm going to have a conversation about the law, I think there needs to be a bar set, and while I'm not a lawyer, the bar is set pretty low if you haven't acquainted yourself with any information at all.

but what I can do is state that it is not really fair that a man can have his life ruined by a woman who decides to falsely accuse him and her identity can remain hidden even if it were the most ridiculous false rape accusation in the world.

You can state that as long as you know it has absolutely no relevance to the Ched Evans case that we are discussing, and as long as you acknowledge that false rape accusations are "rare, rarer than previously thought, but serious when they occur" as per Keir Starmer's 17 month study on the subject when he was at the CPS.

HTH.