Ched Evans verdict

You seem absolutely convinced that this proven liar is telling the truth about the woman saying this, cad. Why is that?

The use of this phrase as evidence betrays women is so many ways. I have used this phrase numerous times. Happy to admit it on an anonymous internet forum. Highly unlikely to admit it in a conversation about this case in real life. So people can then say well thats a phrase that only a certain type of woman uses, and we know what happens to those women.

It is such a pathetic bit of evidence

You'd have thought with all that money - they would have come up with something more convincing ? Maybe something from Bob the Builder would have been indeed ideal eh ?

Trouble is, truthful evidence is what it is - and you're stuck with it. Cant go dreaming up better. Not allowed.

'cliche' sorry not clique!

'Fuck me harder' is such a clique rape defence as well. 'She's only bruised because she likes it rough' being the longer version of that little gem.

It is such a pathetic bit of evidence.

Considering he is the one saying he didn't speak to her, that sounds way too much like a wild stab in the dark to me.
But I'll admit I am biased.

To break that down...

Evans says - I didn't speak to her at all

Police - what, she didn't expressly give her consent?

Evans - oh yeah, she said "fuck me harder" at one point

With one thread closed I hope this is the right thread to thank SecretBarrister for helping me understand the legal difference between innocent and not guilty.

Also, posts come so fast this is a bit out of sequence.

It seems to me, if a man gets a 'got a bird' message from a mate, surely this is something planned, CE's expecting it and members of the family there to film can't be an off the cuff moment seems to support that as does everything else that happens as another poster listed.

A man with a long time partner has booked a hotel room for his mate isn't a spur of the moment thing – when his mate 'does' the girl, he follows immediately – that's just gross – and goes home to his loving partner.

It all seems to me a pack of men on the prowl. Do we know what CE's mother thinks, his girl friend's mother? And then the male fraternity hold their hands up and say, ' what's the problem?'

I despair.

If Evans says - "I never spoke to her, but she spoke to me, said "fiery wild stallion fill my frozen womb with your burning love" and spoke of her preference for sex dressed as a clown"
Men come forward and say she said the same to them. Possibly admissible.

From behind and "fuck me harder" though? Hardly the amazing new evidence that should override his own guilty testimony, is it.

What he didn't do was rattle off a long list of possible things she might have say - to take a punt on, as you put it.

And then apparently, years later, he found other people who also claimed that she had said this common phrase during sex.

What's not completely clear is the relevance to this case, or the circumstances of their coming forward. This needs to be made clear because of the effect of this case on rape victims.

It's worth a punt

CE didn't have a shopping list of what she might have said to take a punt on.

He was arrested and taken to a Police Station and interviewed under caution. During which he told the Police that he had sex with the complainant - much has been made of this on threads here, that he implicated himself.

But basically as far as he is concerned he's giving a very frank interview - warts and all - about what happened. What he didn't do was rattle off a long list of possible things she might have say - to take a punt on, as you put it.

My partner has had sex with me countless times when I've been too drunk to remember fully or at all and it's only come to light the next day when I can't find my knickers or top and it turns out to be behind the kitchen door or similar. We used to laugh about it.

It's taken a couple of months of soul searching and support to begin to come to terms with the fact this and other things are indeed assault. Now I'm being told that in the eyes of the law it's actually all fine presumably because I'd had consensual sex with him in the kitchen before or went on to have sex with him a day or so later. I will never report him for sexual assault. The resulting case (more likely to be dropped) would break me.

It's an awful time to be a woman. I feel so depressed about this high profile case. It sets a dangerous precedent.

Venusinscopio & Merrymouse It is what it is.

No survey - but I've had sex with somewhere in the region of 30-40 women - and some say it, or similar, and some don't.

Im not sure what that says about you or them, but it doesn't tell us anything more about the case.

A representative sample of womanhood, clearly.

Have you carried out a survey of how many women say "fuck me harder", then cadno?

No survey - but I've had sex with somewhere in the region of 30-40 women - and some say it, or similar, and some don't.

The jury had 7 women in it and maybe they discussed the likelihood.

I created a separate thread to ask about it! And being in feminism, I'm expecting a disproportionate amount of no answers compared to the general population

'Fuck me harder' is pretty common.

Obviously there are no statistics on how common, but it's certainly a cliche.

This has been one of the most high profile rape cases of the last few years. We need to know exactly why, in this case evidence from previous sexual partners was admissible. Rightly or wrongly it isn't clear.

And guess what, just managing to bring in her sexual history would have done the job anyway. No need for Bob the Builder, they just needed to paint her as a whore. That's all they really wanted to do because they know the extent of rape myths in society.

Have you carried out a survey of how many women say "fuck me harder", then cadno?

Placemarking as I'm really Cross about this and want to read your thoughts.

If I went out tonight and pulled some pissed bloke, had consensual sex including his fetish of having the Bob the Builder theme tune on at the critical moment, if he accused me of sexual assault on Sunday I'm damn sure I'd want to call his previous partners to testify he couldn't get it up without Neil Morrissey warbling in the background. That's a bloody unusual preference and for the accused (me) to know about it implies some degree of interaction and advanced consent (though of course, it says nothing about whether consent had been withdrawn)

It's obvious that the more unusual the request, the stronger the evidence that she was conscious. But, unfortunately for CE's defence case, Bob the Builder songs wasn't the complainant's thing. Instead she liked to say 'Fuck me harder'. As you say, its not rare - but neither is it very common either. Some women say it and (hey surprise !) some don't.

But its what the defence had - guess they'd have loved for the complainant to have been whistling Bob the Builder, but alas....

Yeah quite beyond. I don't think trying different positions and saying "fuck me harder" are exceptional. Totally bog standard sex imo
They were also widely reported before the victim came forward.
It stinks.