Ched Evans verdict

And this too.

'Team Ched' show just how sick football culture in Britain is
www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/14/team-ched-show-just-how-sick-football-culture-in-britain-is/

petron

Oh my god her poor mother

And she died didnt she, so she never saw this second case

Worth a read

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/15/the-ched-evans-case-sends-a-chilling-message-to-women-dont-repor/

Thanks. They really ought to have.

They already have, Lass.

www.itv.com/news/wales/2016-10-15/womens-equality-party-says-ched-evans-retrial-could-stop-people-reporting-sexual-abuse/

I wonder if the Women's Equality Party will make any comment on this.

I appreciate they cannot say anything which suggests the verdict is wrong but they can surely make a comment on the dragging her sexual history into it.

It's even worse than "if you have had sex before, you have clearly consented to having it with anyone who wants it". Rape victims also have to behave in a particular way afterwards, otherwise they were obviously making it all up

No, you don't need to get a grip, badabing. You're quite right.

Oh, thank you. It's ok, it;s in the past. But you see what I do, I minimise it, i think lots of us do, because it's a way to survive. I feel for the complainant so much, I'm really worried for her, because I don't know how I'd handle so much hatred. I imagine she can't go online at all. I hope she knows how many of us support her.

Under

I am so sorry that that happened to you. I am also somewhat glad that I didn't report. I will also think hard before I encourage a woman to report.

Yesterday was a terrible day for every survivor I know. I hope you feel on a more even keel today.

Under I'm so sorry that happened to you.

I really agree with you about feeling so free and confident when you were younger and now feeling quite downtrodden by the world.

I thought I was walking around in one world, and now I find I'm actually in a much darker, scarier place than i thought
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Babading I agree with everything you wrote, it's terrifying isn't it.
The disregard and contempt that is expressed towards women from not just some men but also some women is sickening and it's not just this case that highlights it. Comments coming out from the Trump revelations also show that to some, women are not people with thought and feeling but merely receptacles, orifices to be filled

I actually feel better now than I did after the first guilty conviction tbh. I'm trying to unpack why - I think because hope is such a dangerous thing, and that's what that first trial offered. I'm more sad now than I was - but not as disconcerted.

Yy, if there was ever a legitimate use (outside of actual PTSD) for the "triggering" phrase, it has been this case and the pond-life commenting on it.

You'd be a money grabbing bitch trying to take advantage of a hotshot footballer and his angel fiancé, Isit

If I went round to chez Evans and started filming him and Natasha having sex through a window and they caught me, woukd they just brush it off as 'silly behaviour - girls will be girls and all that'? Or would they go to the police?

Badabing, no it's not just you. I feel that as women we have just been told exactly where we belong.

Badabing, can I just say I agree with you. The older I get, the more scary the world seems. I was so confident and fearless when I was young, felt I was free to do anything - but now I look at my DD and I just fear for her. She is so sweet and happy and trusting, oh god.

As I said on the sexual assault thread, I have been the victim of sexual assaults - both rape and attempted rape (different men), and this is triggering. I never reported, but I'm almost glad I didn't if I'm honest. I just assimilated it and put it down to one of those things. But cases like these do affect me. I felt sick yesterday.

No I wouldn't blame her either. In her shoes I would be wanting to disappear and try and forget those scumbags ever crossed my path.

The whole case stinks. Every bit of it. I'd love to know what the judge was getting.

She probably thinks it's more trouble than it's worth. I would not blame her. She is made of far stronger stuff than me. I would not have survived the first trial and conviction. She's been through so much shit, and all she did was try to find her handbag.

There are so many bad things to pick out from CE's own evidence - but the 'shhhh' thing was really telling. It makes it so predatory and pre-meditated.

I absolutely believe he is guilty, I don't think he believed or cared about consent when he entered that hotel room - I think he paid out to clear his name. Natasha FB'ing trial witnesses, and the victim's previous sexual partners, and talking about £50k reward is shocking, that should not be allowed. How was that allowed??

Yep. You're right

I wonder why. Would the victim be able to pursue it now? Its separate from the rape trial.

Anyway, all they would need to say is "well Clay asked her if we could film through the window", and find some exes who will say she consented to being filmed while she had sex with them, and then they'd have no case to answer.