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Transwoman Rugby player experienced severe bullying

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Bambambini · 26/09/2016 07:21

I thought this was an interesting blog from a transwoman athlete and her experiences of bullying from team mates and opponents. I'm concerned about transwomen entereing female sports but there's not really much being said on it, or how the TW and women in sport really feel about it or what they think.

carolinelayt.tumblr.com/post/150343141737/now-i-know-why-i-was-so-hated-whilst-playing

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Bambambini · 02/10/2016 19:47

I think it's the overt and attention seeking narcissism i struggle with. None of my female aquaintances behave anything like many of the TW you see online on the likes of Twitter.

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WinchesterWoman · 02/10/2016 19:41

I do think quite a lot of it is - failed at men so let's have a go at beating women. One poster recently spoke of failing 'as a man'. I wonder if that's common.

Bambambini · 02/10/2016 19:40

Freshwater - Layt sympathises and identifies with Fallon Fox - surprise, surprise.

I think the fact TAs are so aggressively pushing for TW (even late transitioners) to be fully allowed to compete against women and girls, even in contact and fighting sports - shows they have absolutely no regard or understanding of women and girls. I just can't get my head around their insistence on this. It almost feels that they are trying to punish us and assert their (possibly) physical dominance over us.

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WinchesterWoman · 02/10/2016 19:02

ATM kept the other one going by hundreds of posts. Job done.

JacquettaWoodville · 02/10/2016 18:40

"Who cares Prawn when every post is BUMP hurrah"

Ha!

Bumping the thread by posting on it does seem counterproductive to getting the discussion to die down.

When FWR was getting MRA trolled, I'd go bump threads that weren't being trolled to push down any weird threads they'd started/derailed...

FreshwaterSelkie · 02/10/2016 18:27

You have no idea who I am AM and you're not WELCOMING to me under any name you MEANIES!

Er, Ok, sorry. Tell us about yourself, crikey. What are your feminist aims?

And as for the rugby player, well, as a former rugby player who was stretchered off the pitch more than once playing against fellow XXers, all I can say is...I know a hospital pass when I see one. And the concept that a genetic male could even consider for a moment that playing against genetic females post-puberty is in any way fair is a hospital pass and a dick move of the highest order.

WinchesterWoman · 02/10/2016 18:13

Who cares Prawn when every post is BUMP hurrah Grin

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 02/10/2016 18:11

I'm baffled. What was all that about? And NC just to annoy us? Why would it do that?

CeeBeeBee · 02/10/2016 17:53

Well, I for one thinks it does deserve our attention and concern. Boring other posters is neither here nor there for me.

WinchesterWoman · 02/10/2016 17:49

Not at all Crikey. The TAs want us NOT to talk about it. People have NOT been talking about it for years and look what's happened - your daughters are in danger. We have to talk about it and this is one of the few places we CAN talk about it. So we do. And I don't really care who gets bored so long as we hammer home the message - you aren't a woman just because you feel like one. Over and over again.

I think it does deserve our headspace most assuredly.

JacquettaWoodville · 02/10/2016 17:24

And language like "brick in the face"?

JacquettaWoodville · 02/10/2016 17:24

You don't think your first post on the thread was aggressive?

CrikeyJoseph · 02/10/2016 17:21

Well Jac l name change regularly. So that was a waste of AS hey. And my thinking was why are we continually giving this so much headspace. We're doing exactly what TA wants. Getting bogged down in the ridiculous. It's biology. You have a penis you are male. You have a vagina you are female. I sometimes feel like a millionaire when l am spending money willy nilly but my thoughts and feelings don't make it so. My bank balance and biology would show if l am in fact a rich female.

I am female but unfortunately not rich.

Stop being so aggressive to new posters and engage.

But now I'm off to NC again just to annoy you really. Keep an eye out on other threads, l will be back.

JacquettaWoodville · 02/10/2016 17:11

Well, Crikey, when you post that you are bored of trans stuff being in feminism chat but haven't posted on any other threads in feminism chat, it seems a bit odd.

And when your first post on the thread is "why another fucking trans thread. In feminism. God I'm bored of this", it's a bit rich to then complain that the feminism section is as welcoming as a brick in the face, isn't it?

CrikeyJoseph · 02/10/2016 17:05

What Jac? Confused what has it got to do with you where l post? And it's probably because l find this part of MN about as welcoming as a brick in the face.

And winchester I am doing it in real life, promise Smile

HermioneWeasley · 02/10/2016 16:54

Well, they certainly weren't going to make as career as a writer, were they?

What a load of narcissistic bollocks. Fuck right off with your male entitlement and pornified notions of womanhood.

WinchesterWoman · 02/10/2016 16:38

Crikey you hit the nail on the head there! Just because you feel female doesn't make it so. sadly the rest of the world needs convincing! come and help us

JacquettaWoodville · 02/10/2016 16:38

There are plenty of other threads on the front page of the feminist chat topic, Crikey, but you aren't on any of them (under your current name, at least).

How come?

CrikeyJoseph · 02/10/2016 16:29

Yes l know that CeeBee, yet l wanted to comment. Do l need the secret knock to post? Or just agree with you.I said it's important but I'm sick of the amount of fucking headspace its getting on MN. Just because you feel female doesn't make it so. How many other ways can it be argued continuously.

CeeBeeBee · 02/10/2016 16:09

Thing is Joseph, the Ryan's stuff is in the feminism topic because it is a feminist issue when a man tries to redefine what being a women is, because they "identify as s woman".

There are plenty of threads on here that are not about trans stuff for you to choose from.

CrikeyJoseph · 02/10/2016 15:51

I'm bored of trans stuff being in feminism chat as it feels like there's no place to chat without trans issues taking over.

It's very important to protect woman's rights. I have 2 dd and sometimes despair at this world.

shinynewusername · 01/10/2016 22:01

Why another fucking trans thread. In feminism. God I'm bored of this.

Yeah, fucking feminists still fucking going on about protecting fucking women's rights. Soooo fucking boring of us.

Hmm
NotYoda · 29/09/2016 15:57

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quine3 · 29/09/2016 00:07

I was astonished by the desire to see transgender athletes embraced as Para athletes are. Para athletes do not compete in standard competitions - they have their own and compete in classes designed to ensure that no one has an undue advantage. An athletes classification can vary as a condition varies and they can be classified out of para status. If the same standards were applied Layte would not be allowed to play rugby against women. Para athletics strives to ensure that athletes are fairly matched which is the opposite of what Layte wants.

Doobigetta · 28/09/2016 20:32

I read the first few paragraphs of this before deciding that the author is a deeply unpleasant misogynist bully, and I am neither interested in reading anything else they have to say, or particularly arsed that they've been given a hard time by a group of women who presumably agree with me. Behave like a cunt, get treated like a cunt, I'm afraid.