Yes, it is another trans thread - attempted murderer Lauren Jeska

Betsy thanks for that link. Hope is great!

I'm basing this on www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/health/transgender-population.html?_r=0, so about 0.6% of US population declaring as TG, so you'd expect 1 - 2 murders of TG women to 1600 murders of women. But possibly I need more coffee.

Yep. Confirmed.

Lucky I'm an athiest eh?

Betsy, your figures of 27 killings of transwomen vs 1615 killings of women DO show a vastly increased proportional risk to transwomen in America compared with the general population, given that there are so many fewer of them.

The question is, why? I very much doubt it's a crime wave caused by Jenni Murray talking about legs and vicars.

Rufus - who? Mary or Eve? If you really want to know Google 'was eve / virgin mary transgender' ... :) You might wish you hadn't though.

Off to see if God is transgender now.

Maybe she was a 'pregnant person'?

And this MTT (who considers himself a man) has been using male toilets for several years without incident.

Was supposed to read not that they didn't but guess it was obvious!

yet

How did she have a baby from her woo then

Strange "transwomen are at far greater risk of suffering from male vioence than non-trans women"

This reports 27 killings of transgender people in the US in 2016.

This reports 1615 killings of women in the US in 2013.

So for murders, your statement is clearly not true. Don't even go there with the stats on domestic violence - the figures for women are scary!

In the UK in 2015 this states 186 female victims of homicide and one of unknown gender. I searched media for this case and it is unclear whether the motive was homophobic or transphobic.

This study: Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery concludes that regarding any crime, male-to-females had a significantly increased risk for crime compared to female controls (aHR 6.6; 95% CI 4.1–10.8) but not compared to males (aHR 0.8; 95% CI 0.5–1.2). This indicates that they retained a male pattern regarding criminality. The same was true regarding violent crime.

So, for example someone such as Lauren Jeska, is just as likely to be as violent post-SRS as she was as a man prior to surgery. This brings into question your statements about reduced testosterone making people calmer and lowering aggression.

And your claim that Jeska had no testosterone at all - how do you then account for the aggressive and violent act that sh'es been convicted of? Or indeed that she refused to supply blood samples for testing (as ALL athletes have to do) if she had no cause for concern over testosterone levels?

And again, please do not use the term non-trans woman. I, and many others here find it offensive.

Absolutely wobbly

Quentin ... I used Google. It's a thing apparently (not using Google, but Jesus being trans). I think they may be on to Eve as well (as really being male because she came from Adam).

I think that one of the most important things about this thread is how trans rights can oppose women's rights. Women have fought long and hard battle to identify and join up the acts of male violence - and to have it understood that there is a pattern to male perpetration- it is not random or down to bad luck.

The way Jeska's crimes have been reported, totally undermines women's fight by attributing a male crime that fits this male pattern, to a woman -which sharply bucks against it.

I'm sure the reason this incorrect reporting was spotted was because women thought 'something doesn't smell right - here. That sounds like the behaviour of a bloke not a woman' and dug deeper, to find suspicions confirmed.

I'll be really pissed off if Male to trans crimes are now logged as perpetrated by females in crime stats.

Flipping heck yet where did you find that? Trying to explain jesus as set out in the Bible using science pffffffft

WTF- trans woman drives for hours armed with knives in a premeditated attempt to murder someone and we get a "women do it too" response. Fuck that.

ego I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve here but whatever it is, arguing Jeska is no different to any other woman and what they did is a "person crime" is inflammatory on a feminist board.

Arguing violent crimes of this type are "person crimes" is not something a feminist does.

I almost wish I hadn't Googled that ...

Refus- or that they didn't commit other acts of male pattern violence previously, just not caught, or possible just not convicted

Jeska being male is pretty important to the outcome of the crime. A woman is unlikely have been able to inflict so much damage on 3 men. Ralph Knibbs would likely not have sustained such serious injuries had Jeska been a woman. As it was he only (barely) survived because of his own size and strength.

Most people are willing to use preferred pronouns etc out of courtesy. Expecting people to accept violent male murderers and rapists as women is an outrageous abuse of that.

Long hair as well yet ....apparently

If Jesus is a "real transwoman" (whatever that is) ... well he was rather known for long flowy clothes and hanging around with prostitutes ...

So if someone behaves in a way that is typically male, that makes them male then?

Well, if that person was born a man, has a very masculine body, athletically performs in a masculine way, refuses to give a testosterone sample and then commits violent attempted murder, then one thing is for sure:

They ain't a woman.

Hope that helps with your question.

Today 08:41 egosumquisum1

Neither can I find a single case of a transwoman here being abused in a male bathroom

Do you think that could be because transwomen don't go such areas?

I'm sure a lot of transwomen do use the male bathroom. And they are not being attacked.

It's galling and disingenuous when transwomen use statistics on violence from a different continent to claim victimhood in the U.K.

It's equally preposterous to use victimhood as any kind of argument to back up the 'transwomen are women' rhetoric. They are not women because they get picked on. And they don't get picked on because people see them as women.

It seems to happen in every single discussion with a transwoman.

The counter argument to 'transwomen are men' repeatedly spirals into a 'but we're victims!' as though it disproves it.

flora

I was going to say

Itll be santa next

Hilarious - a man trying to tell us that a man who became a woman, who commuted a very male crime is just an unusual woman criminal not a usual male pattern criminal.

Jesus? Jeska