Yes, it is another trans thread - attempted murderer Lauren Jeska

If Jeska was just a feminine man, and was honest about being such, then this situation would never have arisen. The need for validation as a woman became all-consuming, seemingly

I don't think he will completely recover. He's lost some of his sight as a result of the attack.

It's an awful story. Lauren's results would probably have been low as well but we'll never know. The victim was just doing his job and paid an awful price for that. I hope he recovers.

Sadly some people are driven to commit such awful crimes when they feel desperate.It can affect their mental state. Being desperate is no excuse at all.

The Athletic Association were about to review her status as a woman and said that she could be stripped of her titles it was ruled that she had an unfair advantage.

Presumably, she did have an unfair advantage otherwise she would have complied with the testing.

Ralph Knibbs was head of HR and welfare at the Association, so that may be why she had a specific beef with him.

It was also noticed that she was autistic. There seems to be a notable connection between autism and transgenderism popping up more and more.

This is the original link.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3801806/Former-fell-running-champion-Lauren-Jeska-admits-attempted-murder-former-rugby-player-Ralph-Knibbs.html#comments

This is my go-to image for people who try to claim that transwomen have no advantage over women in sport because their testosterone levels have dropped. (

T ain't the only difference, folks. In many sports, like basketball as pictured, it's not even the most relevant difference.

But I can empathise with the mental turmoil she must have been suffering, and I am dismayed that this sad story is being used to whip up even more anti-trans feeling, so as to make more people suffer in the same way.

I am disabled. I don't want to be. I didn't choose to be. I can no longer take part in sports.

It doesn't make me want to murder someone though.

As far as I'm aware, the athletics body were only checking that Jeska's testosterone was within permitted limits for women and transwomen. They weren't about to invalidate all Jeska's results because Jeska is transgender, it was because of the lack of submitted samples.

Strange, I understand that your experiences lead you to fellow feeling for Lauren. In most areas of life I have no quibble at all with transgender folk. In the sporting arena though, surely the physiological differences btn those who have grown up and make and female have to be recognised? Even with hormone treatment (I am glad it helps you feel better by the way) those born male will have physical advantages against women. Not all women, but most women. That can't be fair can it? It's like having a twelve year old in the under tens.

For Lauren to react with such rage toward the man who questioned whether she complied with guidelines, takes her beyond my sympathy.

Ralph Knibbs is a person of principle who wanted to make sure no one had an unfair advantage, unlike Jeska, who wanted the try and maintain their advantage at any cost.

Wow StrangeAdventure, you've really helped confirm that some tw have no empathy for anyone else and a pathological desire to ensure that everyone else sees them as female, even if it means trying to stab someone to death. Why didn't Jeska give the samples if T levels are apparently so low? And hormones don't change bone structure btw. I can't believe you didn't even pretend to think that what jeska did was unforgivable and completely unwarranted, to say the least.

That made me laugh Rufus and not in a hollow, supulchral way.

Actually ive frightened myself now

Nah datun

I am sure strange is watching...always watching

I'm sure strange is long gone.

But I can empathise with the mental turmoil she must have been suffering,

Ffs. Your post is really disturbing. Ill keep my empathy for Ralph knibbs.

It good that you dont approve of murder though strange

Just trying to look for the positives there

Ralph Knibbs nearly died after Lauren Jeska stabbed him in the head and neck. He suffered a stroke during the attack and was left with permanent partial blindness and nerve damage. What kind of misery must he have felt? Tim Begley and Kevan Taylor came to his aid and were also injured.

I'll save my sympathy for them.

Because they have had difficult lives they get to win sports prizes? This really is the oppression olympics? Can we round up all the child abuse victims and people on Prozac and let them run the 100m freestyle with 'privileged' athletes who will run the egg and spoon race against them

Why don't we ban all separation of categories in sport then? Bet the transwomen wouldn't like that though, cos they would be competing against MALE competitors so not so easy to win.

What a crock of steaming horse shit this all is

I think you're mistaking my post for another one, StrangeAdventure, probably one in your head.
I am also more than a bit worried you don't seem to know the difference between wanting to kill yourself and trying to kill other people.
Quite a lot of people experience the former. Happens to non-trans people too, you know. Not so many do the latter, but Jeska did and I think your attitude that it was all perfectly understandable stinks.
Stop making excuses for violence.

I am pleased for you that you have never known what it is like to feel so utterly and completely miserable that life ceases to have any value for you.

Five minutes on mumsnet will show you that many, many people feel like this. However advice on attempted murder is neither sought nor given. It's not generally considered an effective treatment for depression.

So for the past 17 years, her body has been incapable of creating testosterone

Afraid not.

"Prosecuting, Richard Atkins QC told the court she became embroiled in the dispute with UK Athletics and failed to produce samples of her testosterone levels."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-39266777

So total sympathy for the perpetrator and zero sympathy/empathy for the victim.

Sport is categorised by sex for a reason. A man and woman of the same height and weight have inevitable differences because of their sex. If you think those differences are irrelevant then presumably you would agree with there being no sex segregation in sport at all?

Datun:
According to the Guardian, she had Gender Reassignment Surgery in 2000. So she doesn't have testicles (which produce lots of Testosterone), nor does she have ovaries (which produce the lower levels of testosterone found in non-trans women.

So for the past 17 years, her body has been incapable of creating testosterone.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel
Are you seriously suggesting that athletes should be x-rayed before competing, and disqualified if their legs are longer than some arbitrary limit? Or their pelvises are narrower? Or perhaps people of african descent should be disqualified from distance running because many of them are quite good at it?

I am pleased for you that you have never known what it is like to feel so utterly and completely miserable that life ceases to have any value for you. Most trans people have... but we get over it when we transition. I can understand what it must feel like to have that misery revived by a specific individual. I don't agree that what Jeska did was "right" -- or even that it was sensible, or reasonable. But I can empathise with the mental turmoil she must have been suffering, and I am dismayed that this sad story is being used to whip up even more anti-trans feeling, so as to make more people suffer in the same way.

If her testerone level was within the legal limit, she just complies with the testing. Job done. No need to put three kitchen knives in your bag and go and stab a man in the neck.