Yes, it is another trans thread - attempted murderer Lauren Jeska

If you dont want to call him a man fine say transwomen but you cannot state a women committed this crime

It's a good thing that's not been said then by me, is it.

That shows males are more violent than females

Of course they are.

I dont see what your issue is frankly

My issue was the response to this statement

"Women, men and transwomen have carried out premeditated attacks "

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The point is that such unprovoked premeditated attempted homicide with huge knives is not a typically female course of action. It's a typically male one.

Women, men and transwomen have carried out premeditated attacks.

And yes, men are far far far more likely to carry out such attacks.

It's also an example of a violence that women and transwomen are capable of carrying out.

No it isnt because a women did not commit this crime. A man did.
If you dont want to call him a man fine say transwomen but you cannot state a women committed this crime it is factually not true as men cannot become women.

You are being deliberately obtuse and also trying to confuse the issue with all that "Oh but women can attack, too."

So can children. So can the elderly, disabled, or whatever unlikely group of people you can think of. That is not the glaringly obvious point written across the sky in flashing 10-foot letters, which everyone apart from you can see.

ego

Violent crimes are commited by both sexes. Fact.
Of those crimes the large majority are committed by males. Fact.
That shows males are more violent than females.
I dont see what your issue is frankly.

You are being obtuse if you are trying to lump rates of female violent crime in the same league as male violent crime.
That was Cotes point.

It is an example of male violence committed by a transwoman

It's also an example of a violence that women and transwomen are capable of carrying out.

I'm quite liking my type of wOman

It's also a crime that transwomen and women CAN commit too.

Nobody is saying it isnt!
Hence. The use if the word typically.
ego you are not stupid so why are you pretending to not know the meaning of that word?
Unless of course you are being obtuse

I didn't suggest "a wave of hate": I suggested that someone used the fact that Jeska was trans as an excuse to stir up trouble for her.

StrangeAdventure you are on really dodgy ground here.

They were simply checking that Jeska fit the criteria for the races competed in. You know, rules. There are rules in things like sport.

I'm sick of this notion that transwomen are being constantly persecuted when normal rules and standards of behaviour are all that is being asked of them. And it is quite sickening to read about the poor persecuted transwomen when that person has tried to kill someone who was simply trying to apply sporting rules.

I'm sick and tired of reading about male violence (often extremely brutal and or sexualized) on the part of transwomen and then having to read crap about how transwomen are women.

There are an awful lot of transwomen who commit violent acts of male violence and I think it is about time that got looked into properly. And let's have less of the reporting which conceals that fact that they are transwomen and therefore male.

"someone who would be defined by people as a 'real transsexual'."

Yes, scary isn't it? It goes to show how little modifying the outward appearance through artificial hormones and surgery actually changes the nature of the person.

So what is your reply to my post? Why did you decide to remove/or not understand the word typically

Because cote decided to misunderstand this statement

"Women, men and transwomen have carried out premeditated attacks "

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The point is that such unprovoked premeditated attempted homicide with huge knives is not a typically female course of action. It's a typically male one

I never said it was a typically female action. Nor did I say it was a typically male action.

I DID say it was a crime that men, women and transwomen have carried out - and then cote said I was being deliberately obtuse.

"So is this an example of male violence? Or violence committed out by a 'real transwoman' ?"

It is an example of male violence committed by a transwoman, since.... you guessed it... transwomen are male - i.e. "Of the sex that can make sperm". Another word you might want to look up in the dictionary.

No, I don't "seem to be" saying that, as is clear to anyone who knows the word "typically". Look it up

It's also a crime that transwomen and women CAN commit too.

It's an awful crime committed by someone who would be defined by people as a 'real transsexual'.

ego

Your post in no way answers mine.

You questioned cote copying her post and asking if she was saying all premeditated knife crime was commited by males when you know full well she used the word typically in her post.

So what is your reply to my post?
Why did you decide to remove/or not understand the word typically?

The criminal in all this is male.
They carried out a crime that is TYPICALLY male.
Men are more violent than women the stats reflect that.
Just because this criminal had surgery to remove their genitals that does not make them less male. They were born male, grew up male have male strength and carried out a violent attack.

Pickle that blog is the fAult of self identification laws

"Why typically?"

Because it is. Read up on it.

"You seem to be saying that the only people who have ever committed premeditated crimes involving knives are male?"

No, I don't "seem to be" saying that, as is clear to anyone who knows the word "typically". Look it up.

90% of violent crimes are perpetrated by males 95-98% of sex crimes are perpetrated by males. According to UK crimes stats. I've not seen a breakdown into what method of violence or whether the women charged are male''s accomplices and go down with them or whether they go out as individuals with massive knives and attempts to stab someone to death in a way that is more typical of male violence.... But I think we would hear more about it if it was the case.

And I would love to see the stats [reliable and properly analysed] that show transwomen are more likely to be victims of male violence than women. Remember that the overwhelming majority of male violence against women and girls goes on at home, behind closed doors, perpetrated by loved ones and is massively under reported.

sookie

Lauren is what people on here would call a real transwoman - she's had surgery, passed and from what I understand, most people would feel comfortable with such transwomen in bathrooms and toilets.

And this 'real transwoman' committed a crime that yes - is more likely to be carried out by men but is also a crime carried out by women and transwomen.

So is this an example of male violence?

Or violence committed out by a 'real transwoman' ?

You seem to be saying that the only people who have ever committed premeditated crimes involving knives are male?

No ego the key word used by Cotewas typically. You know that because you used it in your post.
So I think you are being obtuse.

most premeditated violent crimes are committed by men

Yes, they are.

But trans people,men and women are all capable of committing premeditated violent crime - it's just that some groups are more likely to commit such crime.

That's my point.

Lauren is what many people on here would call a 'real' transwoman - someone who transitioned a long time ago, who generally passed, who would have been accepted in toilets, who had had surgery - she is a transsexual.

And she committed an awful premeditated crime.

most premeditated violent crimes are committed by men.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The point is that such unprovoked premeditated attempted homicide with huge knives is not a typically female course of action. It's a typically male one.

The only person being deliberately obtuse is you.

Why typically?

You seem to be saying that the only people who have ever committed premeditated crimes involving knives are male?

You're not saying that, surely?

"Women, men and transwomen have carried out premeditated attacks "

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The point is that such unprovoked premeditated attempted homicide with huge knives is not a typically female course of action. It's a typically male one.

Which is is not surprising, except to those who mistakenly believe that HRT and plastic surgery actually changed this person from male to female.

When I looked at the hate crime stats - hate crimes committed against those with protected characteristic gender- reassignment, were the lowest. The stats for sexual orientation, disability and race/religion were far higher. And most of the hate crimes under the gender reassignment category were not for physical attacks.

I have sympathy for the suffering you've experienced strange but it's not healthy or helpful to view one's life and experience through a victim filter.

You managed to turn your feelings of victimhood into lots of statements degrading women, when the post is about a trans woman who almost killed a man. It's okay, we're used to this. Everything is women's fault.

"I don't believe that anyone here does dismiss violence and hate towards transwomen." Sometimes it seems people do. But that's probably a different thread.

I'm sure they do. People also dismiss violence and hate towards women on here and everywhere else. There's always an (usually offensive) explanation of why violence can be dismissed.

I don't think that should be taken more seriously when it's aimed at trans people. It shouldn't happen full stop.