Feminist Pub XXI - The Pub with No Name

Ooh! Hello Ophelia! Drink?

I talk about other posters if they are GFs

It's my first time in the pub.
I lurk sometimes.
Looks like a nice place to decompress. Is it out of line to talk about other posters?
It's a shame when this board used to be so vivid and lively to see it getting "dragged through the mud" by a handful of ppl.

Anyone here going on the women's march in March?

Yy to eyerolling at that thread!

Just mosied over and took a look... Good grief. It was like one of those "red pill" discussion groups on Reddit. Mind you, it did rather remind me of the great Jackie Fleming cartoon where a spotty youth is addressing the girl in the scruffy dress and DMs who is clearly JF's cartoon alter ego. Him: You're going to die alone, and friendless, and miserable, and single. Her (with a big smile): And only you could make it sound so attractive.

Yeah. Maybe if we throw them a bone by posting on the thread it will keep them busy and we can get on with feministing

Maybe we can just let the lads talk to each other about their MRA activities? They are getting bloody dull though.

Yeah but I'd be interested in your take in here! I also decided not to post
No need to apologise pooch

Yes I looked in on that thread. I was going to post something. But decided to leave them to it.

Oh, sorry devi, I didn't mean what's the point of your point! I am just feeling a bit disheartened at the derailing and all that, and a bit meh about where some of the debates have ended up recently. January slump...

Because it's interesting. We can discuss it in here and hope that they don't notice
It's just how the Internet pits men and women against each other, innit

I had a look at the thread and then backed out slowly because at the point I looked in, it was being discussed among, as far as I know, four men. I keep typing and deleting here what I want to say about that. Because what's the point?

Is anyone reading the MRA thread? The male contributors are talking about incels and it's hurting my head. Interesting insight into how they perceive things. Seems to be a lot about sex

I wouldn't say it's futile. We have the best arguments because they are factual and although we get pestered by TRA, allies and assorted contrarians we always overcome (though I am getting very tired of a couple of posters.)

Yeah I do post on trans threads but there are so many and it all seems so futile

Oh gawd, yes, the derailers. I've got several hidden too. Maybe we could get the derailers onto the trans threads, hide them, then talk about other stuff? (Not that I'm anti discussing trans issues - there are important issues, and I'm feeling especially grumpy at seeing my son's non-intersex medical condition labelled as intersex and appropriated for political purposes yet again - but not at the expense of having it take over every other feminist discussion.)

I've hidden loads of the ones that have derailed so that probably doesn't help

It kind of comes and goes in waves, Devi. Maybe try to bump some of the older, interesting threads?

Hi all
I feel like the board is swamped in trans threads again. Wondering about posting maybe on feminist support to try to get some non-trans related discussions going. Maybe I am over thinking it

The podcast Secrets, Crimes and Audiotapes is currently serialising an adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale. I'm really enjoying it! Worth a listen.

Oh, yes, I totally agree with you. I assume the Guardian reported the trans issue because everyone else, including the BBC, had done. The BBC is another MSM outlet that obscures the sex of defendants. I think they left it out in their reporting of the Lauren Jeska case.

Well, yes, Prawn, I see that. I'm just surprised the graun didn't do its usual cover-up job. The Guardian has form for not reporting such things even when relevant to the trial - like I said, their coverage of Lauren Jeska did not mention Jeska's being trans, despite the fact that being trans was in fact extremely relevant to the motive. (In that case, Jeska attempted to murder the Sport England official who was investigating Jeska's testosterone levels).

I remember Jill Saward and her awe-inspiring courage. Sad to hear she's gone.

They had to report the defendant's trans status, M0stlyhet, because it was relevant to the trial. Apparently one of the sources of conflict was that Kayleigh Woods and the victim had previously agreed to ttc, which wouldn't have made any sense if Woods was female.

A toast indeed. I remember the case - she was roughly the same age as me. She was such a brave woman.