Only trans women have vaginas, women have 'front holes'

I also hate the term cis, I used it because the OP seemed to be having difficulty with understanding that this leaflet is aimed at trans people and the use of vagina in trans women who have had surgery does not exclude the use of vagina in women. It just doesn't actually need stating.

My favourite part of this leaflet:

"Don’t assume that every person you meet—trans or otherwise—will use or understand these words. In most cases, the best thing you can do is ask which words a person uses to describe their body. Remember: Our bodies are our own to name and use."

I feel really assaulted by use of the word 'cis'.

I am a woman. I reject the term cis with every single atom of my being. I really think if you want to use it here you should have to ask every single women on every single topic you post on if it's all right with her to put her in a new category that doesn't actually describe her but only describes the relationship of a group of men (i.e. transwomen) to her.

I am also really appalled by the use of the coarse and ugly term 'hole'. It is not a 'hole'.

If someone hasn't had surgery then they have a vagina. It is a vagina no matter what they identify as.

Mmm I am not a ciswoman I am a woman simple as I don't accept people renaming my gender description so that they feel more secure/happy with how they define themselves.

was reading this week that there was a survey conducted that showed that many woman do not know the names of their sexual organs - internal and external, but nearly all knew the terms for male genitals . Although I am guessing that the woman who the leaflet is aimed at are perhaps more aware of these organs.

This guide is so falling over itself to be politically correct that it's destroying the meaning of words. A clitoris is not a dick.

"Call it my dick, and don’t hesitate when you say it, because that’s how I know what you think and how you feel about what you’re saying. Don’t say cunnilingus, say head. Use the words you would use for any other guy."

But you're not 'any other guy'. You're a woman with a vagina and a clitoris and sex with you is not going to be the same as it is with 'any other guy'.

FFS why are legitimate organisations supporting this level of delusion? It's batshit

"I will never call my vagina a front hole, it's not a hole and tbh I find it grossly offensive to women to refer to it as such."

Then don't. This leaflet is not about you or your vagina. HTH.

FFS it doesn't even say women don't have vaginas.

You're just deliberately misconstruing it for your own agenda.

But regardless if anything else it's a middle hole surely or are they so ignorant of basic anatomy?

I was using that term for clarity, yes women have vaginas. People who identify as transmasculine often use the term 'front hole'.

Woman, not cis.

But the hole in a cis woman is a vagina. This guide does not have to explain that....

No mummy 'front hole' is used by FTM (female to male) ie they were born with a vagina, but they identify as a male. They have not had bottom surgery so they do indeed still have a 'front hole'.

I agree Hate. A front hole is a uretha. I have that and a vagina. Referring to a female (from birth) vagina as a front hole is one step away from a fuck hole. Sounds like language from chauvinistic men. These are after all men, who've sex changed to women so why wouldn't theirs referred to as a front hole?!!

This leaflet is aimed at Trans people. It is common for FTM to use front hole. I am assuming you are cisgender? This leaflet is not actually for you, and yes you have a vagina.

A front hole is a urethra. And a vagina isn't sometimes referred to as a vagina. It's a bloody vagina. Ffs.

This leaflet was being discussed on another thread and my understanding of it is that the term "front hole" is being used to describe the vaginas of someone who wishes they didn't have a vagina and may or may not be planning to have it surgically removed. It is actively helpful for them not to use the same word as is used for the same biological organ in a woman who is comfortable about their body shape. I do not believe that the leaflet is advocating use of this word in the wider population is it?

I actually read that whole pamphlet with my jaw agape. I'm not sure what to say. I'll need to think about it some more. Wow.