Cavan family annihilation by a "brilliant Dad"

its so depressing to constantly hear the question what made him do what he did

nothing made him do it, he made a choice to murder his wife Clodagh and his children, Liam, Niall and Ryan

Its a step forward that it has been widely questioned how his actions have been reported but its not enough. The media have to report such incidents differently, tragically it wont be the last and they need to tell the truth not make a story of what might have happened

And there was a piece almost entirely about how she was a lovely person. Which is a definite improvement over the treatment Clodagh has received.

At least it's clear throughout that he murdered her, none of this "found dead" bollocks

We're not allowed to point to male violence though. Not without a NAMALT rider.

The thing is, that if men need the NAMALT rider, then even they obviously believe that men are violent, except them of course.

Another "tragic" event . Another "perfect couple".

No, another violent horrific event with another terrified woman dead at the hands of another abusive man.

It's not as if there aren't enough of these to join the dots. I'm pretty certain if there was any other trait other than the sex of the perpetrator e.g. race/religion/ginger hair then the dots would be joined.

www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/double-death-husband-murdered-wife-before-committing-suicide/story-29697790-detail/story.html

Yet another news story based on her being his wife. They were described by the neighbours as being loving. At least she is named. Karen Arnold.

If this is love, then count me out.

Yep and I hope the inquest findings get decent cover not buried in a couple of paragraphs on page 24.

This savage violent murder of Clodagh and the boys by the husband/father will be gone from the news imminently, I think it's actually gone already.

No discussion, no analysis (well very little), since the media are muzzled/biased, or so it seems to me. Breen and one or two others are the exception. Fair play to the BelTel.

Only hope is that the inquest may shine some more light on what happened.

The Belfast Telegraph had an article yesterday saying they received a 'phenomenal' response to Suzanne Breen's article, and that online the column got over 1 million hits.

Apparently they got lots of emails with people saying how sick they were reading about how great Alan Hawe was.

This is reassuring.

However it still beggars belief how much eulogising there was over his monster; and that that was the automatic, knee-jerk response, instead of the horror and disgust that should have been. :(

If Clodagh was killed first she was spared the knowledge that he was also killing the boys (hopefully)
She may have thought he was only going to murder her.
It's just unreal.
To do that to your wife and your three beautiful boys.
How many would adore to have their lifestyle???
3 great, healthy boys, a lovely home, involvement in the community and good, pensionable jobs in a nice country not racked by drought, war or pestilence.
It must be so tough for Alan's family though.
I hope they will get the support they need.
No doubt Clodagh's family will be supported.

Monster.

The manner in which he did it speaks volumes. A deeply personal murder. Maximum suffering.

I read in another article that Clodagh had severe defensive injuries - she was the first to die. He used the axe on her. The youngest was killed last, and all boys had defensive injuries.

They all fought for their lives.

A truly evil bastard.

fuck. Doesn't bear thinking about

Ok. Thanks for the clarification Maud.

No, he murdered his wife first. She was found downstairs. All the children were murdered in their beds upstairs.

Defensive wounds on a 6 year old? There aren't words.

So that could indicate that Clodagh was protecting the wee one. Who then could have fought back.

Awful. Just awful. Especially as he was described as a great dad. What about a loving husband? No one said this.

Sickening.

There were defensive wounds on Clodagh and the six year old little boy, indicating that they knew what was happening and tried to fight back.

They had defensive injuries, Elendon . Especially the six year old, apparently. Fought and fought to stop his daddy hacking him to death.

And if the presence of the Lactic acid and Cortisol is there, then what sort of hell must those people have gone through. Unimaginable.

Great link Power, and thanks for posting. Says it all really.

Can I just say re the forensics. If fear was involved then there would be lactic acid and cortisol in the victims bodies, via blood and other bodily fluids. I do hope the forensics were done properly given the hasty burial.

Just regarding this. Cortisol and lactic acid indicate that fear was involved. The victims knew they were being attacked. It's a defence mechanism. If none of these bodily responses were detected in the blood it means that they were attacked whilst asleep. In other words calculated murder.

It does sound a bit too pithy and perfectly phrased for some ordinary randomer but that could just be the cynical devil on my shoulder.

I'm also a bit suss about someone who talks so vehemently but has no actual new information or insight.

Would The Sun be that brazen though?