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(Yes it's a trans thread! Don't click if you're gonna whinge) The SAGE test.

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BeyondASpecialSnowflake · 01/09/2016 13:44

Having been directed to this test by someone who has come to mn to enlighten us all as to how we are all wrong to think "trans are in league with the devil" (wtf?!) and how "yes gender is not provable, but neither is God and we all believe he is real" (again wtf?!), I decided to have a go. Apparently it is used as part of the diagnostic procedure, though this person does seem to be posting from Amercia.

I will warn you, it is a truly awfully written and unbelievably biased piece of bullshit, featuring spelling mistakes, leading questions, and at one point the wrong "there"!! It didn't take too long though, and thanks to it I now know that I am a man. There are issues with some questions raised that can easily be 'answered' by my asd, so it's a tad biased there too.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else fancied having a go at it too...

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OnceThereWasThisGirlWho · 01/09/2016 21:53

Lancelottie I'm impressed by the sheer number of statistically anomalous anallophilic cross-dressers on this thread

Grin genuine lol there!

I'm also pissed off at the train question. If they are going to ask a maths question so you can gauge how easy you find it, it shouldn't be impossible to answer! Their range basically seems to go from "thick" to "cocky (and thick)". There's no "I am quietly confident that this question is impossible".

There's huge swathes of human female experience utterly overlooked. So many questions I found impossible to answer because there wasn't an option even remotely close to the real answer. Take the housework question. I mean, there's not a even a sexist stereotyped "I'm a homebody who loves cleaning" type answer, let alone a "I just do it, because it needs doing, without thinking, same way I brush my teeth everyday". Nope, housework is either erotic Hmm or a dreadful chore. Which makes the "It's woman's work" option even more entitled and wankerish. If they cannot even imagine someone might feel enjoyment or pride in housework then why expect women to do it? The other options are all shades of "It's a chore that must be done". However the way they're worded is in a grudging, moany, resentful tone, rather than "I like a clean house, so needs must!" , or "clean sheets feel so nice" or "I do it beaue I want the best for my children". Nope. Erotica or resentment is your choice.

So many questions are just badly written, like the one about recognising an instrumental version of a song. Do they mean you'd know the name of the song? (never, for me) or do they mean you'd recognise the tune? (always).

I can't even bring myself to complete it. The whole thing is just a pile of shit that basically confirms all the theories us dreadful TERFy types subscribe to. Nice own goal, though. Smile

SmilingButClueless · 01/09/2016 21:46

Hah! I confused the test! And am actually pretty insulted by the analysis. I suspect the programmer can't conceive of a woman who can do logic and isn't domesticated...

Your raw score is -550, which indicates that overall you are Masculine.

Your appearance is Masculine. [looks down at dress and adjusts D cup bra]

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Male person [nope, I'm a woman and they are my brain processes so they're female brain processes.]

You appear to socialise in a Masculine manner [I socialise in an autistic manner, maybe that's where the confusion comes in]

You appear to have mild conflicts about your gender identity [wrong again]

ANALYSIS

If your physical sex is female your analysis confuses S.A.G.E., as you appear to have attributes of the Male gender, but have not apparently done anything to alter your physical appearance. Leading this program to wonder if you are actually Intersexed? If you are not, your hesitation to begin transition indicates your doubts about your ability to do so, even though you seem to be a serious candidate for Gender Reassignment Surgery.

MostlyHet · 01/09/2016 21:36

I think it's calling me a liar... collapses into giggling heap.

AtiaoftheJulii · 01/09/2016 21:30

Omg this is so long!

I nearly wet myself at the "who are the worst criminals" question Grin

Lancelottie · 01/09/2016 21:23

I think this quiz can't cope with the idea of female unless you act and dress like a pantomime dame.

Edna Everage would probably get waved right through to Ultra Feminine Land.

NotAnotherHarlot · 01/09/2016 21:00

Your Raw Score is: -390, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Androgynous

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Transsexual in doubt about your ability to successfully transition.
NOTES:

Your Answers indicate your psychological state has likely prevailed since you were quite young.

Aspie female engineer here. Who wears dresses and skirt suits a lot. Make up, nails and long hair. Mostly because I am cursed with chunky thighs so trousers look shit. Also very very content with being a woman.

Hmm I must not like lady things enough. Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2016 20:58

What were the questions which were supposed to deduce all this cross-dressing? apart from the heel height one (which might work for men but doesnt for women at all nowadays). 'pump' is a high-heeled ladies shoe in the US I believe, btw, I think someone was puzzled by that. And one for which there wasn't an appropriate answer IIRC.

HemlockIsSpartacus · 01/09/2016 20:53

I'm impressed by the sheer number of statistically anomalous anallophilic cross-dressers on this thread, given it's apparently a minority.

Yup, funny that. Almost like it's an entirely unscientific bullshit test based on the daft idea that the majority of people are either simpering girly girls or butch manly men and only a few special snowflakes get to have full and complex personalities Wink

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2016 20:52

Buffy Grin - now there's a surprise!

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2016 20:51

The questions didn't test whether you were good at maths. They tested whether you think you're good at maths. Because of stereotype threat women might be less likely to pick the confident answers than a bloke who objectively has the same ability.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 01/09/2016 20:50

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ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2016 20:48

My middle name ends in a vowel - an E. The bloke who wrote the test was probably thinking of all the girlie name s ending in 'ie' or 'y' or 'a' and forgot about Mike, Steve, Dave, plain Jane .... twerp

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 01/09/2016 20:44

Pretty sure it's because I said I was good at Maths - they ask about that a lot

What does "good at maths" mean ?

I think of myself as bad at Maths. I passed the then Scottish Ordinary Grade maths at a pass between 90 to 100% but failed Scottish Higher Grade maths at somewhere between 45% to 49% (I know that as they gave me a compensatory Ordinary and which actually would be a pass these days)

Sorry , completely irrelevant.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2016 20:42

My PC wouldn't do those popup picture ones (though I had popups allowed). Anyway, leaving those out:

S.A.G.E. Test Results
Your Raw Score is: 325, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Quite Female

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Crossdresser
NOTES:

You are in a statistical minority as a anallophilic crossdresser. Most crossdressers are heterosexual. Your motivation for crossdressing may be driven by the undirected nature of your sexuality, as a way to more fully explore the Male gender role.

Yay! I'm an androgynous crossdresser too. By which clearly they mean 'normal sort of woman who wears normal women's clothes'.

Clearly this was written by a man who has absolutely no idea about what actual women are like. And 'anallophilic crossdressers' (ie women who wear normal womens clothes and aren't excited by daringly donning jeans and biker boots) probably are statistically rare in his strange little world.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 01/09/2016 20:34

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Lancelottie · 01/09/2016 20:27

I'm impressed by the sheer number of statistically anomalous anallophilic cross-dressers on this thread, given it's apparently a minority.

Lancelottie · 01/09/2016 20:25

My entire name is gender-neutral according to that reasoning, but I can't see how my parents' choice makes me more masculine or feminine.

I didn't get to that question because I was too grumpy about the spelling mistakes and the train question.

But my boys are total bollocks at word game questions. DS1 had one the other day: 'If a drawer contains ten black socks and ten white socks, and you pick three socks at random, what is the chance you have a matching pair?'
DS1 said 'You don't, you have three socks.'
DS2 said 'Pretty much zero because one will be size 4 and one size 10, given my luck.'

BaronessEllaSaturday · 01/09/2016 20:24

Your Raw Score is: -820, which indicates that overall you are Masculine

Your appearance is Masculine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Male person.

You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
If your physical sex is Female your analysis confuses S.A.G.E., as you appear to have attributes of the Male gender, but have not apparently done anything to alter your physical appearance. Leading this program to wonder if you are actually Intersexed? If you are not, your hesitation to begin transition indicates you have doubts about your ability to successfully do so, even though you seem to be a serious candidate for Gender Reassignment Surgery.
NOTES:

Your Answers indicate your psychological state has likely prevailed since you were quite young.

I think it's calling me a liar.

2legit2knit · 01/09/2016 20:24

I'm a laydee... 😁 probably because I'm shit at maths and don't get turned on by tools Hmm

TeamFinn · 01/09/2016 20:20

Your Raw Score is: -360, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Masculine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual
NOTES:

[none]

I'm another one who is really good at Maths but dislikes Star Trek. I really don't want to be a man though Hmm

GiddyOnZackHunt · 01/09/2016 19:40

Your Raw Score is: -510, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous
Your appearance is Androgynous
Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.
You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.
You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.
You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual

Well. That's cleared that up then Hmm

JacobFryesTopHatLackey · 01/09/2016 19:30

Your Raw Score is: -370, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Feminine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Crossdresser
NOTES:
•You are in a statistical minority as a anallophilic crossdresser. Most crossdressers are heterosexual. Your motivation for crossdressing may be driven by the undirected nature of your sexuality, as a way to more fully explore the Male gender role.

BertrandRussell · 01/09/2016 19:29

My middle name is Frances too- and I came out all girly brained.............

BeyondASpecialSnowflake · 01/09/2016 19:25

So, if we now know that a good chunk of women aren't coming up as "ciswomen" using this questionnaire (nor my DH as cisman), surely in a sensible world we have just proved there are not a statistically significant amount of one sex who are cis, thus disproving the entire idea of cis/trans?

One wonders WHO did the questionnaire originally to get a (again, statistically significant) female = feminine, male = masculine result...?

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