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(Yes it's a trans thread! Don't click if you're gonna whinge) The SAGE test.

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BeyondASpecialSnowflake · 01/09/2016 13:44

Having been directed to this test by someone who has come to mn to enlighten us all as to how we are all wrong to think "trans are in league with the devil" (wtf?!) and how "yes gender is not provable, but neither is God and we all believe he is real" (again wtf?!), I decided to have a go. Apparently it is used as part of the diagnostic procedure, though this person does seem to be posting from Amercia.

I will warn you, it is a truly awfully written and unbelievably biased piece of bullshit, featuring spelling mistakes, leading questions, and at one point the wrong "there"!! It didn't take too long though, and thanks to it I now know that I am a man. There are issues with some questions raised that can easily be 'answered' by my asd, so it's a tad biased there too.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else fancied having a go at it too...

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WankingMonkey · 01/09/2016 23:50

I gav e up on it when it seemed to decide before I finished questions that I was a man? Just on how the questions were written down. I also had to guess on the jigsaw question as the whole thing failed everytime I clicked it. Poor. I expect I am supposed to be a man though. I shall go and fin d a penis I would like tomorrow..DH is decent at sewing, he can do it for me. Save the strain on the NHS when everyone off here turns up with their results Grin

tabulahrasa · 01/09/2016 23:50

"I can see how damaging it could be to someone vulnerable looking for an answer."

Well it's got me wondering why it thinks I'm a confusing androgynous intersexed person - and I'm very very sure I am a woman by any definition of one, including most crappy gender stereotypes TBH.

So yeah, it could be pretty harmful for some people.

ijustwannadance · 01/09/2016 23:43

The test was updated in 2002 so original maybe 20 years old or more?
I played the game Myst in my teens back in the 90's.

It's a load of tosh but I can see how damaging it could be to someone vulnerable looking for an answer.

StatisticallyChallenged · 01/09/2016 23:39

I'd like to make it a serious one, actually:

What do you have between your legs:
A) Dangly bits
B) no dangly bits

What would you prefer to wear
A) a cute dress
b) jeans and a shirt

Answers:
AA - congratulations you're a male who like to wear dresses. This means you're a man
AB - congratulations you're a male who likes to wear jeans. This means you're a man.
BA - congratulations you're a female who likes to wear dresses. You're a woman.
BB - congratulations you're a female who likes to wear jeans. You're a woman.

Extend to add in maths puzzles, jobs, sexual attraction and whatever else. Result will still match biology!

HairyLittlePoet · 01/09/2016 23:38
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hownottofuckup · 01/09/2016 23:38

I got to Q46 and my only thought was 'fuck off!' so I haven't been able to complete it.
But honestly what a big steaming heap of shite.

SpeckledyBanana · 01/09/2016 23:35

Hairy Grin

SpeckledyBanana · 01/09/2016 23:33

Arf. I am androgynous, with female brain processes and a female to male cross dresser with mild gender conflicts. All bollocks.

HairyLittlePoet · 01/09/2016 23:33

Oh crikey
now I really really really want one of us to create an online gender test with an algorithm that has stuff like "do you believe that women should be able to freely choose their professions, hobbies, opinions, and clothing without this having any bearing on their womanhood?"
Yes > you are an Evil TERF who must DIAF immediately
No> you are entirely correct, women who wear trousers and do maths are certainly transmen in denial and must be ejected from the woman club forthwith for jeopardising essential feminine stereotypes which run contrary to the glorious cause.

Anyone?
I'll happily fund the purchase of a domain name.

"www.genderidentitytest.co.uk" isn't taken yet...
Grin

BertrandRussell · 01/09/2016 23:32

To be serious for a bit- we all found that test entertaining. But if you were very unhappy and confused about why and you came across that test 5)3 consequences could be catastrophic, surely?

StatisticallyChallenged · 01/09/2016 23:31

We sound similar stylewise Lass, I can honestly say if you lined up all the women in my office I'd probably be the last one you'd ever list as androgynous.

DH is currently pissing himself laughing at my results.

CancellyMcChequeface · 01/09/2016 23:29

I'm liking all the female aspies being told we have male brains. Just shows how flawed many diagnostic tests are when it comes to females with autism. Damn us and our non "lady brains".

This. Of course, the test may be operating under the assumption that autism is 'extreme male brain' which as you probably know has been a barrier for so many women and girls seeking diagnosis and not being taken seriously - because they must have ladybrains, right? Yet more evidence of the damage caused by gender stereotypes.

I like maths. And Star Trek. And creative writing. But not hugs or proximity to strangers, and I notice all the noises mentioned in the test because I have a sensory sensitivity to it.

StatisticallyChallenged · 01/09/2016 23:27

The obsession with arousal was very odd wasn't it. The sewing one got me too, I like sewing and make curtains/blinds etc quite happily but I've no desire to join a quilting circle and it doesn't give me the horn either.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 01/09/2016 23:25

Your Raw Score is: 415, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Feminine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity. (???)

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Crossdresser
NOTES:

You are in a statistical minority as a anallophilic crossdresser. Most crossdressers are heterosexual. Your motivation for crossdressing may be driven by the undirected nature of your sexuality, as a way to more fully explore the Male gender role.

This analysis is of a woman who last owned a pair of jeans in 1990, has owned possibly 5 or 6 tailored trousers in her entire life and none in the last decade and whose current wardrobe has at least 50 dresses, mainly 1940s tea dresses and full skirted 50s dresses and think Dior's New Look is the ultimate style icon.

StatisticallyChallenged · 01/09/2016 23:24

Yup, as soon as I started answering the questions I spotted the resemblance with the aspie tests. It's been said a few times how people with ASD can easily be overdiagnosed as trans and I can definitely see how that would happen as some people with AS can be very black and white and it would be easy to think that the reason you like doing atypical activities is because you're the wrong gender. Especially for AS girls/women.

ijustwannadance · 01/09/2016 23:22

I got 425.

Brain is androgynous.

I fully accept my physical sex and gender identity.

I love Star Trek, used to love playing Myst and can reverse park like a pro, but, I am also able to read emotion and cry at films. No hugs though.

Hate that it doesn't give the option of liking something without being aroused by it. I like diy and sewing. Neither make my horny!

NotAnotherHarlot · 01/09/2016 23:20

I'm liking all the female aspies being told we have male brains. Just shows how flawed many diagnostic tests are when it comes to females with autism. Damn us and our non "lady brains". Grin

quine3 · 01/09/2016 23:18

I am a female to male possible transition - which is news to me since I have always been quite comfortable in my identity as a female, although I am not 'girly'. I may have confused it slightly by only removing hair from my face ( I go swimming with unshaven legs and pits!).
I think the answer to the train problem is that they never meet. New York is to the north of Baltimore and the train leaving from it is going further north i.e away from Baltimore. The Baltimore train is going South, away from New York.

StatisticallyChallenged · 01/09/2016 23:15

Wow that test is an utter pile of wank. And that's the polite version.

Actually, what I did notice is that a lot of the questions are very, very similar to the type of questions which appear on tests for Asperger's or ASD/ASC (I have a diagnosis) and that concerns me as a lot of AS people would respond to those questions in a way which would (I think) be taken to be indicative of gender issues when in fact, it's autism.

My results were

our Raw Score is: -420, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Androgynous

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Crossdresser
NOTES:

You are in a statistical minority as a anallophilic crossdresser. Most crossdressers are heterosexual. Your motivation for crossdressing may be driven by the undirected nature of your sexuality, as a way to more fully explore the Male gender role.

I'm not even remotely androgynous appearance wise and definitely not a cross dresser, in terms of either body (very female shape) or style (I pretty much only wear dresses unless I'm working out). I'm a bit unusual for a female with autism in that instead of being disinterested in clothes/make up/hair stuff, I love it and it's one of my obsessions. I do a very mathematical/statistical job so I obviously don't have a "lady brain" though.

I think this test is utterly dangerous tbh.

ScrambledSmegs · 01/09/2016 23:06

Well that took me all fucking evening! Worst quiz ever. Beats 'what Big Bang Theory character are you?' hands down.

Your Raw Score is: -435, which indicates that overall you are Masculine

Your appearance is Quite Female

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Male person.

You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Transsexual in doubt about your ability to successfully transition.

I don't understand the 'normal doubts' thing. I have no doubts. Why is it telling me I have doubts? I'm doubtful about the 'science' this test was based on, is that what they mean?

Doubt looks wrong now Confused.

OnceThereWasThisGirlWho · 01/09/2016 22:57

smiling Leading this program to wonder if you are actually Intersexed?

Shock

I just do not have the words.

If you are not, your hesitation to begin transition indicates your doubts about your ability to do so, even though you seem to be a serious candidate for Gender Reassignment Surgery.

Fuck. It's like advertising.

pontificationcentral · 01/09/2016 22:43

I'm having that sort of moment where you go to laugh hysterically but your lips stick to your teeth because it's Really. Not. Funny.

OnceThereWasThisGirlWho · 01/09/2016 22:30

:)
I suppose "erotica or resentment" is to patriarchy what "cake or death" is to C of E...

pontificationcentral · 01/09/2016 22:00

Once, I may have to name change to 'eroticaorresentment' now. Once I've taken off my French maid outfit, and put the feather duster away, obvs.

Lancelottie · 01/09/2016 21:55

Grin Must say it's a sentence I've never typed before.