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(Yes it's a trans thread! Don't click if you're gonna whinge) The SAGE test.

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BeyondASpecialSnowflake · 01/09/2016 13:44

Having been directed to this test by someone who has come to mn to enlighten us all as to how we are all wrong to think "trans are in league with the devil" (wtf?!) and how "yes gender is not provable, but neither is God and we all believe he is real" (again wtf?!), I decided to have a go. Apparently it is used as part of the diagnostic procedure, though this person does seem to be posting from Amercia.

I will warn you, it is a truly awfully written and unbelievably biased piece of bullshit, featuring spelling mistakes, leading questions, and at one point the wrong "there"!! It didn't take too long though, and thanks to it I now know that I am a man. There are issues with some questions raised that can easily be 'answered' by my asd, so it's a tad biased there too.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else fancied having a go at it too...

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Lancelottie · 02/09/2016 09:38

I'm a married Aspie too (or at least, going through the process for DS1, it was pretty clear that I fitted the criteria rather better than he did).

I don't parent very effectively, and definitely struggle with the whole relationships shebang, but hey, we give it a go.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 02/09/2016 09:38

pontification ooh yes the leg or face dilemma. Tricky really :) There wasn't an option for armpits only was there?

special I'm hoping my anxiety will demonstrate enough impairment to get me diagnosed! Married woman with a job too.

BeyondASpecialSnowflake · 02/09/2016 09:32

(And I don't work, but that's cause of my physical disabilities - I used to work)

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BeyondASpecialSnowflake · 02/09/2016 09:30

I wonder what everyone answered to imply they are anallophilic? I googled and apparently it's an old sciencey word for asexual. Google took me to an Aspie forum where they were discussing this exact test......!!

Buffy, I also got my diagnosis as a married adult. I'm suffering terrible anxiety though, so I'm guessing that "helped"?

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2legit2knit · 02/09/2016 09:22

I got 'woman and happy with it' and so did a couple of others. A lot of the questions were impossible to answer, so I ended up going with a slightly more 'female' answer, mainly because 'eroticaorresentment' Grin I do perform femininity and I am bad at parking and DIY, so I guess it's a good job I wasn't born a boy! Wink

StatisticallyChallenged · 02/09/2016 09:21

I'd say you need a different - and better - diagnostician. If you're in Scotland I can recommend someone who specialises in adult autism. Feel free to PM me.

BertrandRussell · 02/09/2016 09:19

Tea- yes, I think there's two of us......,

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 02/09/2016 09:14

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teawamutu · 02/09/2016 09:08

Is it even possible to get a 'you're a woman and perfectly happy with it' score?

If this pseudo scientific pile of wank is being recommended to confused people to help them make life changing and irreversible decisions, it's incredibly worrying.

Xenophile · 02/09/2016 08:57

S.A.G.E. Test Results
Your Raw Score is: 295, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Androgynous

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual

How do I look androgynous, I am fairly tall, and no oil painting, but I have swishy hair and enormous bewbs, hardly an elfin David Bowie lookalike!

And ridiculous number of the questions were about AGP which most TAs state is categorically not a thing.

The test is ridiculous and I could have devised a better one in the bath!

thedogstinks · 02/09/2016 08:53

OK, that is scary. I found a comment in a thread from 2012 on some website that says the test is 10 years old. I honestly thought it would've been closer to 30 or 40 years old. My god. do people believe this shit?

StatisticallyChallenged · 02/09/2016 08:33

That's interesting Buffy - I was diagnosed as an adult in spite of being married but it's something I've seen often used to dismiss women with autistic traits "Oh you're married and manage to hold down a decent job/family, you can't be properly autistic then"

Makes my blood boil.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 02/09/2016 08:18

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teawamutu · 02/09/2016 07:53

Your Raw Score is: 400, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous
Your appearance is Androgynous
Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.
You appear to socialize in a feminine manner.
You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.
You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Crossdresser
NOTES:
Your Answers indicate your psychological state has likely prevailed since you were quite young.
You are in a statistical minority as a anallophilic crossdresser. Most crossdressers are heterosexual. Your motivation for crossdressing may be driven by the undirected nature of your sexuality, as a way to more fully explore the Male gender role.

What a load of utter shit.

And don't even get me started on your favourite monkey (wtf?) Including gorillas and misspelt orang utans...

nooka · 02/09/2016 04:41

Why do I get suckered in by these tests! That one was quite tedious. Oh well better than the last one I did which stated that I was in fact a man (not even that I thought I was a man, but I actually was biologically male). This one thinks I am transexual but worried about passing. I probably am quite androgenous to someone with very strong views about gender performance, but that's just because I don't really believe in performing femininity (seems like a lot of work to me).

powershowerforanhour · 02/09/2016 04:12

I got androgynous for everything (probably because I like science and am nice to people) FTM crossdresser (huh?) who has "what I believe to be normal doubts about my gender identity" even though I ticked all the yes I am a woman in the right body boxes.
Agree about the lack of "I have already breastfed and don't need to shave my face" answers- the test was written by a man, for men (women tacked on as "other").

thedogstinks · 02/09/2016 04:06

That shit must've been written by a man in the 1960's, surely???!!

Your Raw Score is: 305, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Feminine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Crossdresser
NOTES:

You are in a statistical minority as a anallophilic crossdresser. Most crossdressers are heterosexual. Your motivation for crossdressing may be driven by the undirected nature of your sexuality, as a way to more fully explore the Male gender role

WankingMonkey · 02/09/2016 02:30

The focus on arousal..this has clearly been written by a bloke, for blokes right. First thing that comes to mind is that word we are not meant to say...autogynephilia.

MrsFionaCharming · 02/09/2016 01:18

S.A.G.E. Test Results
Your Raw Score is: -495, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Masculine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Transsexual, who is a serious candidate for Gender Reassignment Surgery
NOTES:

Your Answers indicate your psychological state has likely prevailed since you were quite young.

I don't know what I answed to imply that. I definitely am not interested in 'Gender Reassignment Surgery'. I'm very happy with my bits, thanks.

pontificationcentral · 02/09/2016 01:11

But giddy, have you shaved your legs? Or just your face?

GiddyOnZackHunt · 02/09/2016 00:33

It is spectacularly badly designed and written. And I say that as someone who is technically more qualified than the alleged creator of the questionnaire.
The premise is you're a man. That you are either suffering from a sexual repression and/or sexual excitement resulting from a dislike of your own body or desire to dress as a female. It finds sexual desire in all sorts of situations where there are none like DIY or housework. It assumes a natural reticence or any social disfunction had a trans origin. It assumes maths and science confidence is evidence of maleness.
Incredibly lazy and dangerous for anyone even slightly confused about their identity.
I am in possession of a uterus, a big fuck off drill, science A Levels and a dress.

BengalCatMum · 02/09/2016 00:01

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 01/09/2016 23:58

Well it's got me wondering why it thinks I'm a confusing androgynous intersexed person - and I'm very very sure I am a woman by any definition of one, including most crappy gender stereotypes TBH.

Me too. I answered very stereotypically (and honestly) on things like car engines, power tools and carpentry and animal preferences (I'm assuming cats and foxes and lemurs are a bit girly)

ScrambledSmegs · 01/09/2016 23:54

I'm pretty sure almost everyone who played computer games in the 90s played Myst at one point. It was how my DH wooed me Blush.

WankingMonkey · 01/09/2016 23:52

HairyLittlePoet

Anyone?
I'll happily fund the purchase of a domain name.
"www.genderidentitytest.co.uk" isn't taken yet...

What a fantastic idea that is. Yes Grin