Trans Understanding Help

Thank you Dolly, yes those are our common goals too, and I would never want to make achieving those goals harder for anyone by making assumptions and being judgmental.

I'm with you on this Mermaid.

Everyone thinks they're a liberal until someone wants the same as what they have.

Like equal protection for women under the law if they are victims of rape, assault, stalking etc. Protection against discrimination in the workplace. Being recognised as people and not objectified by men based on what we look like. There's probably a lot of other things trans-women and women have in common but people just get so defensive and angry.

But society makes sure that those things are bloody difficult for some people.

I think she means the common goals of living a happy life, treated equally and hopefully finding someone or some people in life you can love and be loved by.

What common goals would they be, Mermaid?

translation: he wants to sleep around a bit, he might be gay or bi. There is nothing to be confused about.

Getting your heart broken is not nice. I hope she is ok.

I feel really sorry for trans-people. I've found all the vicious attacks I've read on Mumsnet today really shocking. These poor people are just trying to deal with not being abused and murdered on a daily basis, they've got it tough enough without all this awful bullying. We should all be working together not excluding people who could help us reach our common goals.

I'm trying to get my head round all this terminology too...especially since my dd ex bf decided he wanted to be polygamous and date trans and binary people......my dd is now very confused and upset as she has always identified as heterosexual
What I don't like is the bullying associated with all these gender issues

I never really swallowed the trans rhetoric, but I thought I should choke down my gut reaction. I slowly came to realise that this was because I am generally a leftie leaning liberal who feels people should be free to live the way they want, and be happy, and how awful it must be for them...wrong body...subjected to violence...etc etc.

Then I began to realise the wider ramifications. Georgina above ^ that titchy refers to? In some countries he can legitimately claim women's board positions, scholarships, membership of lesbian groups and access to 'women only' gatherings, and government contracts because he is recognised as a woman, not as the man he is.

In Canada, there's a push to change the terminology used in the labour wards from 'mother' and 'woman' to 'person in labour,' or labouring person. Why? Because men can give birth too!

Let's not start with Caitlyn Jenner and his 'woman of the year' award.

What they said.

I'm also a woolly live and let live leftie. But not at the expense of others.

If George wants to wear dresses and tell everyone he's now Georgina, then lovely, good for Georgina. Happy to continue to have lunch, share makeup tips with Georgina etc etc and delighted they are now so much happier than they have been in the past. Genuinely.

But if Georgina wants access to rape crisis centres, to compete at the Olympics in female races or accuse Rachel the lesbian of being phobic because she doesn't want to have sex with Georgina's penis then I'm afraid Georgina can fuck right off.

There is a very informative video blog on the thread that inspired the I am Spartacus one that neatly sums up a lot of the issues.

Laws are being changed that will affect all women and it's okay to stand up and point out that's a bad thing. I'm a wooly liberal and I don't give a monkeys about the clothes people wear or the names they want to be called. I do care about the names that I am called and I don't like it when people tell me I have to change the words I use to describe myself, that's not on and it's bullying.