Magdalen Berns

Thank you datun, lots for me to think about carefully before I reply.

Thing is red, I'm pretty sure most people would use the alternative pronouns on an individual basis. Women don't tend to be rude and unkind. It's not about attacking individuals. It's about getting to the root of an ideology which is increasingly putting women at the bottom of the pile.

It's largely come about following the issue of self identification. Where a transperson needs no other criteria whatsoever other than simply saying I am a woman. They wouldn't have to have surgery, live as a woman (whatever that means) nor present as one.

From a legal viewpoint, it means they can access women only scholarships, compete against women in sport, access female bathrooms, rape refuges, prisons, etc. This is something that is already happening. It's not tomorrow or next year, it's now. There are many examples online.

It also damages women by suggesting womanhood is nothing more than an internal feeling.

Most women, including feminists, are delighted to see a blurring of the genders. Women, historically, have been treated less than fairly based on their biology by having typically female gender roles reinforced. To reduce 'being a woman' to nothing more than saying so, and donning a dress, particularly if it's made legal, makes it very difficult for women to identify themselves based on their biology (see the examples above where biology doesn't count).

It's not about unkindness or rudeness, The trans-activists have forced people to take it way beyond that. It's about the erosion of women's rights.

I recommend you go online or read some more threads on MN. Many people started as allies - why wouldn't you just live and let live, after all? But when a tiny minority are campaigning for the right to be called women means your 11 year old daughter suddenly has to share her showers with boys at school or men at a public pool, it becomes a lot more than that.

I think most people are under the impression that transwomen are attracted to men (i.e. gay) and have had surgery. This is not the case. And it is generally not those individuals who are creating the fuss, which is why you often get a disconnect when women know transwomen like that - they're fairly harmless and don't insist they are actually women.

Yes, sure. I'm curious how you could find it rude or unkind. Do you mean that it hurts you in some way?

I think for me it's like when someone, a relative or colleague for example, insists on calling you by a name you have asked them not to use. It's just plain bad manners and unkind.

Well, I find that calling a male " her " Is rude and unkind to to me. Care to address that Red.?

Thank you all for responding, Datun's post especially was informative and enlightening for me. Yes, I did watch the videos she's responding to, the ones I could find, before posting above. I certainly don't agree with them either. I just don't agree with how she's making all of her arguments. Calling someone "him" when that person prefers to be called "her" is just rude and unkind. For me it detracts from her other, important, arguments.

red

She's challenging the assertion 'transwomen ARE women'. If you believe this, it means people born men who are attracted to women, then identify as women, are now lesbians - and lesbians should have no trouble sleeping with them. Despite the male, fully functioning genitalia (female penises). They need to 'check their privilege' and examine their internal prejudice for saying they only like women (with vaginas).

The TAs (trans-activists) say the same of natal born women. They need to check their 'cis' privilege and to get over the fact that transwomen, because they ARE women, want access to female only spaces. Despite remaining attracted to those women and having male genitalia.

Magdalen Burns blows a hole through the trans ideology by pointing this out. I'm sure she, like most women, would have very little problem if it remained purely a feminine identity, rather than appropriating the identity of women and all that this entails.

Lesbians are increasingly more targeted by transwomen. Like heterosexual women, their lesbian only spaces are being taken over by transwomen with 'female penises' applying sexual pressure (see 'cotton ceiling').

RedMapleLeaf have you watched the actual videos she is responding to? The one telling lesbians they are bigoted for not accepting transwomen as sexual partners?
Magdalen responds, she doesn't go after random people.

red I think Magdalena got banned from Edinburgh uni LGBT after Ada Wells, a MTF lesbian, called her transphobic. Ada calls people with vaginas "cuntscum". Ada also believes lesbians who won't sleep with transwomen are trans phobic. Magdalen is a lesbian.
I can well believe that being banned from a society you believe in because a section of society have unilaterally decided to redefine labels that are important to you (such as woman and lesbian) might make you less tolerant of trans "self-identity".

www.google.co.uk/amp/thetab.com/uk/edinburgh/2016/08/23/ada-wells-resigns-eusas-lgbt-officer-25017/amp

Hasmt - didn't

She hasnmt woke up one day and thought m: I'll have a pop at trans community. The recent transactivism has taken to wrestling in on female spaces, mantransplaining feminism to women and redefining what a woman is. Her vlogs are in response to those actions.

I appreciate this thread bringing my attention to Magdalen, but I'm not sure I understand the love for her. I think this might be because I've not been engaged in the recent debates around trans issues. I hesitated to post this yesterday, but I think it's important to take the risk and be educated by those more informed than I am!

I think that she's right to challenge any pressure on lesbian women to accept trans women as sexual partners.
However, she seems unnecessarily rude and dictatorial about others' self-identity. I don't understand why she gets to tell people what they should feel and believe about themselves.

What am I missing?

Love her. Subscribed a couple of months back. I really want to see her shred that Everyday Feminism site.

"Suck my dick"

Yes, the last line of Theryn's video was quite telling!

Just read that. My head hurts....

Some twat in the comments is trying to claim it's a perfectly valid thing for a transwoman to say and it's bigoted to disagree.

Love the final line of the Danielle muscato video. "Suck my dick". Such a uniquely female line

It appears I was the snarky one! Sorry illegitimate

*Theryn

Why do you think Riley Dennis and Danielle Muscato are ridiculous and Thyren Meyer isn't? What criteria are you using there?

Lass, I respect your opinion on a lot of things but I don't agree. Magdalen is spot on. She isn't going to collaborate with Meyer because that's the whole point. Meyer is not a woman. Meyer is appropriating womanhood. The irony of Meyer's rant is quite spectacular.

Magdalen lands plenty of punches when she plays the ball not the man. (That's a metaphor there, not misgendering MNHQ!)

She does and she has taken Meyer on in the past and I'm sure she will do so in the future but don't underestimate the value of short term unlikely alliances.

How bad can this be for 2 such unlikely people both to speak out?

Both Muscato and Meyer declare themselves women, just because one looks more feminised than the other means nothing

Well away from the FWR board I think you will find many people who would think it means quite a lot and that Meyer and Muscato are not the same.

Damn. Should have gone with one of these too So much gets lost in translation.

Here you go, I've changed it. Is this OK now?

They are both transwomen and one of the the transwomen is upset with how manly one of the them is presenting.Tis mad..

No need for snark. Report if you feel it's needed. I have no idea how either refer to themselves or to each other to that end.