Having sex with transwomen is so much better than with those frigid women

"But it's interesting you see it as "fringe" misogyny and irrelevant to most of us"

I don't think Twibble was saying it was "fringe" in order to say it's irrelevant or to imply we're making "much ado about nothing" but just to say it sounds as ridiculous to him as a man as it does to us.

x post with the two above!

Nothing against transsexuals but I think you are either sexually attracted to them or you aren't and no amount of rhapsodising about newly-minted vaginas is going to change that. It seems to me to be a misogynistic article, but a sort of fringe misogyny (with an agenda) that will have no effect on anyones' real life relationship or sexuality. Nobody will think any less of women or change their sexual preferences after reading it. It's just someone from the extreme outpost of the internet writing things that are totally irrelevant to most of us

Well, I doubt anyone here gives a shit whether someone "changes their sexuality" as a result of reading that article and, strangely enough, I don't think many are reacting to this article because they are feeling threatened and worried that they may be abandoned in favour of transwomen.

But it's interesting you see it as "fringe" misogyny and irrelevant to most of us - I think Buffy rather hit the nail on the head in calling it pure, unadulterated misogyny. The blogger (who has 20,000 followers on Facebook and another 23,000 on twitter) unashamedly promotes the idea that the reality of women's behaviour and bodies isn't all that pleasant when you think about it, which is why we need all these sanitising products and social rules to mask the fact. Do you think that attitude is limited to rare extremists?

Of course, by discussing it we are either being silly and making much ado about nothing, or we're transphobic...

18 months ago I was have brushed off many things that I have read as being silly and will not be taken seriously, a man with a beard who dresses in skirts and high heels claiming to be a women and taken seriously, a man who wears a wig and dress running as the female candidate for a student union rep position, literature being changed to people who have babies so not to offend, women having to argue their reasoning as to why they want women only spaces

These attitudes are being pushed by men not women yet it is women who it will impact not men

I think you are right Twibble It was too silly and badly written to take seriously.

From the article:

"[Having sex with a transwoman] is, however, different from homosexual sex as you are having sex with a woman."
Yet
"It helps if you are bisexual"

Oooh I wonder why that is!

Anyway this article means good news for us in the long run. With so many transwomen willing to provide men with the ultimate parody of being a woman: submissive, vain, in possession of both a tight vagina and a handbag replete with lipstick and other useless shit, us "cis" women will be free to actually be ourselves and not have to continue to "perform femininity".

I know this is a (mainly) female space but I hope you don't mind a male comment.

I think this article is pretty awful, and insulting to everybody, but absolutely irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. Nothing against transsexuals but I think you are either sexually attracted to them or you aren't and no amount of rhapsodising about newly-minted vaginas is going to change that.

It seems to me to be a misogynistic article, but a sort of fringe misogyny (with an agenda) that will have no effect on anyones' real life relationship or sexuality. Nobody will think any less of women or change their sexual preferences after reading it. It's just someone from the extreme outpost of the internet writing things that are totally irrelevant to most of us.

Hope that wasn't too intrusive and I've not said anything offensive.

fakenamefornow

I don't think that's true, I have seen some transwomen that don't do the whole piles of makeup and hair extension thing. Miranda Yardley is a good example.

Oh yes, shouting "transphobia" is the new way to silence women.

Want to talk about rape, FGM, periods, DV, pregnancy, childbirth or breastfeeding? Tough, it's transphobic.

Now apparently wanting to discuss raging misogyny is also transphobic.

What is with the knee jerk accusations of transphobia that always come up in these threads? It's just a way to silence women, I'm glad more and more people are seeing through it. There has been no hatred towards trans people at all in this thread. Women taking issue with the misogyny shown in that article and acknowledging that biology exists is not transphobia.

That's a hell of an article.
Manages to insult transwomen, born women, gay men, bisexual men and straight men in a few short paragraphs

I wasn't offended by the article as such, other than the thought that the women ( I refuse to use the term 'cis') I've either been in relationships with or had casual sex with are frigid. In my experience they were more than enthusiastic. I reckon whoever wrote the blog post has either never had sex with a woman or was so shit no woman asked him for seconds.

Buffy is spot on as ever. :o

It's not clear to me what gender the writer is.
I assumed it was a male (born male /currently male)

Yes exwife did you read the article?

Or just wanted an excuse to jump in here and froth about how transphobic we are?

You do realise that the article is claiming that transwoman are better women than those born? That transwomen are happy to be dominated and put into their rightful place unlike us natural born women?

Buffy you win at being a woman!! Are you nice and submissive in bed? I hope your vag is lovely and "fresh" and you haven't done any of that disgusting bleeding or birthing that ruins it for fucking.

exWife are you confused? Did you read the article? Did you not see what it was saying?

And what do you think of the hideously misogynist article Exwife?

I take it that's just dandy because a transwoman who has zero idea of what being a woman is wrote it?

No comments about that?

Nah, didn't think so.

this thread is revolting. i really don't understand how this sort of hate-filled invective isn't banned as transphobia.

properly shameful.

Safety pins? Really?

"If you went around the world collecting drips of misogyny in a bottle, then distilled it, turned it into ink, filled a fountain pen cartridge and wrote words, out would come this article"

Love this!

I think given the article's raging misogyny then "real women" is absolutely spot on. The writer's phobia of real women's bodies and his own homosexuality drips from every toxic word

Although the article is obviously disgusting, your use of the term 'real women' is quite unfair. I don't think trans-exclusionary feminism is very helpful to anybody at all!

Well, it has been and is helpful to actual women, but apparently we are nobodies to you. Okay. Your opinion. You are entitled to it.

I have no problems with men objectifying and using transwomen for sex instead of women.
It's not like anyone would like having sex with the kind of person who would agree with that vile article.