Why are people so defensive towards alleged rapists?

Oh, all those thousands and thousands of men who are wrongly accused. 85,000 of them every single year.

Oh no, hang on, that's women raped. But yes, it's more important to think about the feels of a handful of men.

Poor Michael Jackson. No one is buying his music anymore. Poor Bill Roache. Poor Craig Charles. Poor Woody Allen. Poor Roman Polanski. Their lives are all ruined beyond repair. They will never work again.

Wait a minute...

I Googled false rape accusations prosecuted. According to The Guardian there were 109 in 5 years prior to 2014.

Of the ones I looked at several were not false in the sense of consenting or not consenting but false as to the fact that intercourse didn't happen at all. One was false to the extent that not only did intercourse not happen but the alleged attackers didn't exist and had not broken into her house. I am not forming the impression that if a court doesn't convict or if the CPS decide not to prosecute that will lead to a charge being brought against the woman.

The police will take demonstrably false accusations of rape seriously. They will take demonstrably false allegations of all crime seriously.

Seriously?

There are male posters who just hang around on MN waiting for threads on the subject of rape to post on. They post on almost no other threads. I would love to know why they think this is normal.

I've been thinking about it and I'm beginning to think that rape doesn't really exist.

I suspect it was term coined by feminists in the 1970's as another way to hurt and abuse innocent men who were already downtrodden and oppressed by us evil women.

There is no proof rape is a real thing. It is clearly just something us evil bitchy women use to get poor innocent menz sent to prison.

Us women are evil. We must be stopped but how?

An agenda for what exactly?

There just needs to be restraint in publishing details. I can see your points with regards to other victims coming forward, but for the men that are genuinely falsely accused then it's life changing - an allegation is out there forever.

It must be nice living in your black and white world.

Some men are evil and some women can be vindictive bitches - there's bad on either side.

Are you actually reading the same thread as us NewStart?

What you have said there has no relevance to anything anyone has said.

Yes, some men are evil and some women are vindictive bitches. My SIL is a horrible woman to my brother and her own daughter. Not so black and white.

However, there are 85,000 rapes in the UK each year. How many false allegations are there?

There's no comparison. Not by a long shot.

And as you won't share any details I'm happy to assume you've just got an agenda.

If there are any men reading this then please stay away from us women.

We're all evil bitches out to get you and trust me, we will get you.

We will accuse you of all kinds of things just to hurt you and because we are women everyone will take our side because society hates men.

They never should have let us out of the kitchen.

It must be nice living in your black and white world. Having seen this personally from both sides of the coin it's not that simple.

Some men are evil and some women can be vindictive bitches - there's bad on either side. Lives shouldn't be ruined for either.

Indeed Toads.

And once he's found guilty (as they always are, because they all get charged and all the cases go to court and the women are never questioned about their sexual history) he will get a deserving sentence, rather than a few months, and not one of his friends or family will hound the victim online and force her to change her identity and move house several times.

Because rape cases always go in the favour of the victim, don't they?

Isn't that exactly how it works?

Again, for people recently joining, who don't want to rtft (from the Scottish police)

I think men in general are very unconfortable with the idea that another man can be found guilty of rape, esp when that person is not the 'crazy guy that would come and kill you down a dark alley'.

The myth that rapes only happen like this, a stranger attacking a lone woman in a dark place, also mean that when a rape happens out in the open, with a 'normal' guy being accused, it is a threat for ALL men. Because it says that it's not just crazy men who rape but that 'normal' men can do that too.
So, of course, the first reaction is to assume that it can NOT possibly happen and it's essential to remember he is still innocent (until proven guilty), that we shouldn't name them because look at all the damage it will cause etc etc. Full denial that anything like this can ever happen all the way.

I think it's a bit like paedophilia. For a long time, it was burried under the carpet until such rapes, even historical, slowly came out in the open and have been acknowledged and publicized. To the point where now, a man can not stay with a child he doesn't know on his own wo being accused of potential peadophilia.
Now imagine that many more convictions are brought up about rape, rape of women done by 'decent men' and if the following reaction was ther same? Would that mean that every man would then be assumed to be a potential rapist? Guilty until proven innocent? That's a big risk to take that. Much better to bang on about how false accusations destroy lives.
--That's wo talking about the fact that false allegations are not the same as someone found not guilty, which can mean too that there wasn't enough proof rather than it has been proven the person is innocent.

Of course they're all making it up Lilac.

Women are liars and we must not be trusted. We're constantly looking for ways to get poor innocent men into trouble and sent to prison for crimes he didn't commit.

The easiest way for us to do that is to tell everyone he raped us and of course everyone will automatically believe us and shun him. Nobody will accuse us of lying, of being sluts or slags and nobody will try to blame us.

They will all take our side and go after the man's blood.

Because obviously that is how it works.

Right.

I'm not denying the real victims, it's a horrendous thing to go through.

They're only men aren't they, they're not entitled to any rights nowadays. If a woman says it it must be true, couldn't possibly have made it up could she

Yes because that is clearly how it works isn't it?

Yeah, the 85,000 women raped every year and hardly any convictions. They're all making it up, aren't they?

Someone's bitter...

They're only men aren't they, they're not entitled to any rights nowadays. If a woman says it it must be true, couldn't possibly have made it up could she

NewStart how do you know that the person in question was falsely accused?

Was it proven without a doubt that it was false? Or is it simply a case of being perceived to have been false because he wasn't convicted or this happened or that never happened, etc?

I answered the question of the OP, gave my opinion - so yes, that was point of me posting on this thread

NewStart what criteria are you using to conclude if a rape accusation is false?

You have classed the case where the boy killed himself as a false accusation even though that was never proven to be a false accusation.

If a woman makes an allegation but then withdraws it do you class that as a false accusation? What about if charges are dropped before it gets to court or if it gets to court but he is found not guilty? Would you class those as false accusations?

Because none of them = false accusation.

There's very little point in you posting on this thread then is there?

End of.

Why when the person has suffered enough would I link you all to it? I'm not going to drag it back into the open for the vultures ffs.

Take it as you wish, your opinions are set so there's really very little point.

Oops, sorry, my first link went wrong

www.google.co.uk/#q=woman+jailed+for+false+rape+accusation

This is for you NewStart -

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www.google.co.uk/#q=woman+jailed+for+false+rape+claim

www.google.co.uk/#q=woman+jailed+for+false+rape+claim&start=10

Just a couple of pages to get you started.

Now what were you saying about false accusers not being punished...?