Notts police to record harassment as a misogynistic hate crime

No, you have got the wrong end of the stick. I was responding specifically to Twittwoo about why I didn't think creating a hate crime of misandry was necessary. I was also trying to politely tell her that FWR wasn't a place for any discussion about misandry.

Leaving aside whether people think it actually exists or not, feminism is not about misandry and men's problems per se. In the same way that a Tory conference won't be trying to strengthen ties with Trades Unions, or Labour won't look to ease the tax burden of the top one per cent.

There is no blackmail. It isn't your fight, nor would I expect it to be. As you say, women have every right to devote their time and energy to women's problems. I think you have read an intention that was not there.

You see with the male on male violence stuff there are already projects and campaigns to highlight significant areas of male on male violence such as knife crimes. People don't tend to argue about why they aren't focussing on strangulations or gun crimes as most people can see that there is a trend of knife crime violence and to target that would be a good thing.

On the other hand when it comes to targeting violence against oppressed groups such as #BlackLivesMatter or violence against women, this logic seems to fly out of the window and suddenly targeting specific crimes doesn't seem like a good ides. I wonder why? Is it because people don't believe there is a trend of violence in those areas? Or is it that they don't want to recognise oppression and the violence that comes with it?

One thing I do know is that so much energy is wasted just defending the fact that hate crime is even a thing. It is disheartening.

I did not mean that FWR posters do not care when a loved one gets a shoeing on a Saturday night in the pub. I meant that FWR posters are not going to be overly concerned about classifying men beating up other men as a new category of hate crime (and I don't think men would care either).

If men want to work misandry into the statute book, then that is something for them to take up as a cause.

Twitt, what did you mean by this bit - but it could also be implemented in other ways that could be against women ? Don't disappear, I'd be interested to hear what you think.

Maybe re-read your posts before posting twit as you are so often misconstrued?

Going back to what scallops said at the beginning, I would have expected that DV could also be recorded under this as a hate crime too as I'm quite sure that many instances of DV are also instances of misogynistic hate.

Yay for gendered punishments and everything beginning to be based on gender in a time when we're trying to make gender a non issue.

Gender is, or at least should be a non issue, sex which is what this is about sadly isn't a non issue, because so very many men like to make it an issue.

And also I'd say men are threatened more with murder, you know because they are murdered more, albeit at the hands of other men.

And yet, you'd be wrong.

I guess it's the general fear of things creeping, give an inch and they take a mile.

I have no words for this statement though. Apart from, blimey!

And I mean in terms of policing and law etc

I did mean I wasn't coming back but I opened the MN app and it came to this I did not mean women I meant government and law. Applauded for starting gendered policing but where may it ago but now I am leaving now that I'm clicking away from the thread, but in a way I'm lucky I did as I've been misconstrued again

I'd like to live in a world where we're bringing SEX (not gender) barriers down too. But we do that by ending discrimination/hate crime against women, not by pretending that it doesn't exist.

I don't understand the the 'give an inch, take a mile' comment. Do you mean that women will manipulate this new crime category for their own nefarious ends?

'Give an inch and they take a mile'. 'They' meaning women, I think.

How lovely.

Yes, bring down gendered barriers, yes please. Not sure why recording how much hate is directed towards women is putting up a barrier though?

Also, no idea what "giving an inch and taking a mile" is referring to?

But, I'll definitely support your campaign to reduce male on male violence - let us know what you've got in mind.

Hmm, grim i didn't see your first post,

But I think it's important because if this is being implemented it could be just for this one thing, but it could also be implemented in other ways that could be against women. I guess it's the general fear of things creeping, give an inch and they take a mile. Perhaps im naive But I would prefer to live in a world where we are bringing gendered barriers down, not making more.

But I was just giving my thoughts, didn't mean to offend so I won't be returning and please disregard my other comments

Twitt, I am a bloke, and I do get what you are trying to say. It could be there on the statute book, for purposes of balance. But, to be honest, I don't think most of us would care if there was another way of categorising a crime against us. If you get sworn at, or smacked in the kisser, there are already laws and offences to take care of those instances.

And again, I don't think anyone on here is going to waste their time worrying about it either.

It's not being punished differently just recorded differently... And I quoted exactly what you wrote... The fact that you apparently didn't mean what you wrote is not something I would have known...

So go and campaign for men to stop murdering one another then?

So your purposefully making an issue out if something I didn't say or mean to say, I see.

Yay for gendered punishments and everything beginning to be based on gender in a time when we're trying to make gender a non issue.

And also I'd say men are threatened more with murder, you know because they are murdered more, albeit at the hands of other men.

twit how many men are scared of being followed home by a strange woman? Of course male on female harassment is worse because men have more power, both systemically and physically

Didn't take many posts before someone did a 'what about the men?' did it?

Twitt if you're that bothered about the misandry, feel free to go and campaign for similar for all the men being sexually harassed.

It's being recorded differently, not punished differently as far as I can understand from the report.

Do you think that most men would be afraid of a woman who harassed them because of their (male) sex? That the man would be afraid of further verbal or physical violence if they objected to the harassment?

Misandry doesn't have to be performed by women. If a man is harassed or assaulted by another man, it can still be misandry, just as women can be guilty of misogyny. So I suppose it could be a form of hate crime.

Quite why anyone thinks a feminist discussion group would give a hoot is another question.

No, I understood your post.

I'm pretty sure that the abuse that women get is worse than the abuse that men get, because so few men are threatened with death or rape.