Abortion Support Network- abortion not just a women's issue?

Good point, dacre!

I honestly don't know how to respond to their reply. I don't think they read what I said at all.

Say that. I'm bloody well going to

I'm involved in a small way with an abortion action group in Ireland (we have a LONG way to go) and they started coming out with that shite as well -" not only women need abortions" -I took it up with them on their FB page and got this borglike response but hearteningly quite a few other women were agreeing with me. Fucking hell. I was marching for reproductive rights in the late 80s; not only have we got fucking nowhere but a new bizarre front has opened up.. abortion isn't even a women's issue anymore.

Emailed them and cancelled my standing order
I'm so so conflicted about doing this but I honestly don't think they are capable to delivering their services properly if they can have their heads turned so easily by a small number of the trans community.
I'd seen the subtle change in language a few months and gave them the benefit of the doubt, thinking they maybe had to use 'inclusionary' language in order to access some grants.
Now I've seen it's a bigger move, I need to step back

I'm a trustee of a small charity, and when we slightly changed our focus, we had to go through a number of procedural hoops, including amending our legal articles.
I'm going to do some research into the minutes of recent ASN trustee meetings to see if this has been done correctly and if so, who was driving it.

I honestly don't know how to respond to their reply. I don't think they read what I said at all.

I agree with Thequesting, I do support this charity at the moment, and am seriously re thinking it. I am an Irish woman and would be very concerned at women being erased from the debate on repealing the 8th.

honestly don't know what to say to this.

I've replied, and asked how they believe removing the women's symbol from their logo is a positive step for women.

(That's not all I said).

^^ great email Beyond
How dare they be so fickle and fucking gullible as to have their heads turned by the trans lobby.

my email...
I am uncomfortable with the idea of redesigning the logo to negate abortion as a women's issue. Regardless of someone's gender identity, the fact remains that only biological female's are disadvantaged by the laws surrounding abortion in Ireland, and I feel that trying to make it gender-inclusive will backfire by negating the equality laws that Ireland are currently on the wrong side of

I fear that once it becomes a 'trans-men need access to abortions too' (which I don't doubt they do, of course) issue, rather than a 'females (as in the sex that have eggs and can bear young) need access to abortions' issue, it will muddy the issue as sex discrimination.

Sex exists, and abortion rights affect the female sex.

And then it looks like we all got the same c&p reply. Disappointing :(

"we don't want to exclude anyone, and needing an abortion isn't dependent upon gender identity"

Of course it isn't. Woman is a sex. Not a gender identity.

This makes me so angry.

Since when is that symbol about gender identity, anyway? I have seen it used for plants. Plants do not have gender identities. And I am quite sure nor do most animals.

:(

I donate to this charity. I will be thinking very hard about whether I want to continue or whether I want to switch donations to an org that unambiguously centres access to abortion as an issue affecting women only.

It will be a tough call as this charity is tiny and its grants are desperately needed - but in the long term it may not do any of us a favour to support orgs that are bolstering an extremely regressive political ideology. I bet 'abortion isn't a women's issue!' will get trotted out as an argument against the repeal of the 8th amendment in RoI if it hasn't been already.

I'm going to write but I'm going to have a good think about how I put it. I believe accommodations can and should be made for transmen who need healthcare regarding their female reproductive systems but I think we can do this in a way that doesn't erase women. Can they not have a paragraph at the bottom that states that any transmen who wish to access their services for example, will be treated as they wish, and their gender identity will be fully respected. Or have a separate set of literature for transmen while still keeping the main stuff "women" focused.

I am baffled.

I had to google the abortion support network to see what their logo was.
I am assuming it is the image of 3 symbols in the top left corner of the screenshot I have attached?

I am also assuming those 3 are to represent the second image I have attached which is the symbol for the female sex?

Now whilst some people who need abortion may not identify as women the very fact that they need an abortion means they are indeed a member of the female sex and so i cant understand why the symbol for the female sex would be in anyway inappropriate or misrepresentative of any service user.

Yup, got the same reply. I'm really torn because I hate to be critical of this amazing organisation.

But like pp I'm fed up of the new order whereby women-centred language and, in this case, imagery, in areas to do with women's healthcare is dropped for fear of offending anyone who doesn't identify as a woman.

Yeah I had a reply too, sounds identical. On my phone though so can't c&p it.
I wonder how much of their donations come from gender-critical feminists...? Who else here donates (if you're happy to share)?

I am sick of this kind of thing. Women are a sex class. We mean something. We exist.

[email protected]

(I even emailed them from my real name rather than from beyond!)

I received this email and bloody missed that in it

I have emailed them.
The female sex still exists.

Oh for fucks sake.

Men don't need abortions.

Only women can become pregnant, no matter what they feel like or if they have a beard or whatever. If someone is pregnant, they are either a woman or a medical marvel and possibly some kind of miracle. They should be calling the Pope to let him know.

I think the longterm goal of the transpropaganda is to make it impossible to rule against abortion laws on the grounds that they discriminate against women.

If "men can need abortions, too!" then this is no discrimination against women, and Ireland can keep doing it, problem solved. It's insidious.

Anyone have information on if/when Ireland is going to abolish this cruel law? I was considering going for a holiday in Ireland next year, but I don't go where women aren't welcome, and in Ireland, well ...