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Women losing custody of ambition

37 replies

ThreadandInk · 09/07/2016 10:46

A great Ted talk about the barriers, and our complicity.

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=CKoyexdhA2s

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FuglyBitch · 10/07/2016 19:49

Totally agree KindDogsTail

Amaia10 · 10/07/2016 19:48

Espresso - I would ask DH about his take on why there are no women at a senior level in his organisation, but he's away tonight. I'm sure he would insist that there are no reasons why women should be held back in the company etc etc. Strange though how it doesn't seem to translate into practise. "Nice guy misogyny" or women not not taking custody of their ambition - I'm really not sure?

To the posters who say you have not been able to find a man who treats you as an equal, do you men equal as in "the same", or equal as in "equal but different?"

Grimarse · 10/07/2016 19:45

That is because women are lovely and kind, KindDogs. They are just so sweet.

KindDogsTail · 10/07/2016 19:24

One thing I have noticed is how often husbands, boyfriends and male friends hijack a girl/woman's idea or witty remark and act as though it is their own - quite shamelessly. Women on the other hand, in my experience, will always somehow credit the person who thought of it.

I have never worked in a corporate world, but I should imagine that happens frequently.

AgeingArtemis · 10/07/2016 18:57

I'm single because I've found it nearly impossible to find someone who treats me as an equal

Me three.

thatstoast · 10/07/2016 15:48

Also marking to watch later. Thanks.

annandale · 10/07/2016 15:39

Placemarking.

Espresso3 · 10/07/2016 15:32

Surely though Amaia, this must have struck you before?

I do wonder whether the behaviour of men like your DH is conscious or if, in fact, their sense of entitlement to "custody" of their own ambition is so unshakeable that they are actually unconscious about the way things pan out in their favour.

Amaia10 · 10/07/2016 12:32

Thanks for this link. Very revealing indeed - in fact, I believe I am a SAHM to a "nice guy misogynist!" Thinking about it, he employs thousands of people across Europe (male and female in roughly equal balance) but, NONE at a board or senior level. Of course, he is highly respectful and charming to women in general, but....oh dear! Definitely food for thought here.

KindDogsTail · 09/07/2016 22:10

That was very interesting, thank you. I never knew about Ted X before. ( I watched another talk too from the woman who started the site Everydaysexism & I thought she was wonderful.)

I think it is very difficult to give up the wanting to be like one's grandmother. A lot of self identity is bound up in that for me! It is certainly so worth being aware of though, which I was not before.

VestalVirgin · 09/07/2016 16:16

I'm single because I've found it nearly impossible to find someone who treats me as an equal.

Me, too. I'm an introvert, and while there might be one man amongst hundreds that would treat me as an equal, I just don't have the energy to talk to all those men long enough to find out.

The Nice Guy Misogyny makes it even harder - at least the old fashioned misogynists tell you right away what kind of person they are.

That company where all the female employees were exceptionally beautiful ... creepy. A bit like Stepford. And apparently, no one ever noticed.

singingsixpence82 · 09/07/2016 15:55

NIce Guy Misogyny. Good phrase.

Lots of interesting stuff here. I totally agree that we've made very little progress in the home. I'm single because I've found it nearly impossible to find someone who treats me as an equal.