General Trans Thread Part 3

Exactly. we should stop complaining, we're being hysterical, women are just as dangerous, Poor men have it worse, etc etc

Righto. So on one hand we get mansplained constantly that more men are actually raped than women because of prison rape, and on the other hand we get this shit. Talk about cake and eat it.

The actual government report mentioned in the article says that women are more likely to report sexual violence from other inmates. I think it's likely that just as many, if not more, men experience sexual violence in prison but not as many report it.

"Female prisoners (4.7 percent) were more than twice as likely as male prisoners (1.9 percent) to report experiencing sexual victimization by another prisoner."

From that article

"There is no evidence that trans women harm other women inside prisons"

Of course, it's almost impossible to find evidence because any search returns results about transwomen being raped and assaulted in men prisons but I can think of 2 cases of male rapists/murderers turned Trans women raping and abusing women in prison off the top of my head. Noel Crompton hall and Richard Masbruch. That never happens though

It doesn't sound like they were told to do this though. It sounds like they took it on of their own accord (the GSA). As a result of discussing already existing expert advice, legal guidelines etc. I would be surprised if any boys schools followed suit though. Who knows?

Newsweek ran a gender critical piece a few days ago - www.newsweek.com/what-wish-id-known-undergoing-transgender-surgery-470386. By Walt Heyer who transitioned and detransitioned again. Are the press trying harder to allow debate?

Incidentally, I read this in the independent from March;

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/paris-lee-placing-a-trans-woman-in-a-mens-prison-is-a-cruel-and-unusual-punishment-a6923831.html

It says that female prisons are actually more violent than male prisons. To quote:

"There is also robust evidence that women in general are a danger to other women, at least in prisons. The US Department of Justice says that the rate of inmate-on-inmate sexual assault is at least three times higher for women than men in the US. Women abuse other women in prison. More than men abuse other men in prison."

This seems extraordinary and goes against what most people would tend to believe. Is this an area in which we, the public etc are incredibly misinformed? I get that women might be more likely to report sexual assault more often but you'd think they'd take that kind of thing into account before reporting it?

I suspect that in the coming years we're going to see some very high profile/powerful couples in the UK/USA where one of the partners is a transwoman. Because it allows a man who would otherwise be gay to deny his homosexuality AND claim to be a liberal, tolerant, open minded dude, on the right side of history. But he still gets to have gay sex. What we're seeing with the likes of Caitlin Jenner are the seeds being sown for society to blindly accept.

There is a dark, seedy underbelly that's driving this movement and it's got fuck all to do with ensuring the rights of transexuals but about homophobia and power. Women simply aren't a consideration.

Seems like it's only women who are expected to redefined and erased. Has anyone heard of men being told that using biological terms for their body parts or talking about male specific health issues is transphobic? I haven't

I've rarely even seen the mantra "Trans men are men", only "trans women are women". It's all so fucking sinister

I bet the boys' schools aren't going to stop talking about boys.

And just because there's a fetish element doesn't mean that the man in question doesn't find his male body distressing. I had kind of thought that autogynephiles didn't have the dysphoria that other trans people have but this book is maybe suggesting that they do even if their experience of being trans is very different.

she - yes, I felt so sad for the poor daughter too and also wondered about the wife.

It's a complicated fetish though is it not? I've just started reading that book "Men trapped in Men's bodies" (it's free to download from somewhere). I'm only on the first bit but there's a case study of a man who started cross dressing at a young age and even as a child the cross dressing aroused him but he did not enjoy this aspect at that age. He seemingly came to enjoy it to some extent in adulthood but it was always mixed with shame and wasn't purely sexual - there seem to be other elements? But I'm only on the first chapter...

There is a rebuttal to almost every study out there. Any small failing (and all studies have small failing) will be used as proof of a study's invalidity if the readers don't like what it says. Or the author will merely be written off as being clearly transphobic and links will be provided to studies written by homophobic authors with dodgy results and it will be compared to that. People believe what they want to believe. Even when there are trans people who admit that there is a fetish element in their individual cases.

I felt very sorry for the woman in the article and felt that she was, somehow, a prop in her Father's fantasy life (goodness knows how much his ex-wife had to deal with) and by trying to talk with him it seemed clear that her reality was erased in favour of his fantasy. His "sexual" fantasy, at that!

How has autogynaephilia been disproven? It's not even a "wacky" theory, when you look at a proportion of MTT (eg: caitlin) it's very clear its a sexual fetish.

I know he/she said "I'm your father" to the author of the article but I wasn't sure if that was a momentary lapse or just normal for all trans parents?

That's an interesting article sheoneill - the dad (mum?) sounds like a nightmare. Incidentally, what usually happens when a parent transitions? Do they usually stay "mum" or "dad" or do they swap to the other one or something else? I remember seeing a photo of the Kardashians celebrating Father's day with Caitlynn but wasn't sure if that was the norm (or a passive aggressive dig from the kids?).

Yes, trans posters on reddit frequently detail how they become aroused when trying on women's clothes or at the thought of being a woman (usually in a sexual situation, or while watching porn,what a surprise). Many posters will reply that autogynephilia has been disproven and that its normal for that to happen, even for "cis" women and claim some study or other has shown this. Eh, no we don't get turned on by getting dressed for work ffs

It seems that a large proportion of MTTs are fetishists. Just who we want sharing a changing room or bathroom with us

she the father sounds disgusting - abusive and narcissistic, with a clear sexual fetish (autogynaephilia). These traits are starting to appear over represented in the TW community.

Found an interesting newspaper article from a daughter's perspective. Just thought I would post as I found it interesting to hear from her point of view:
www.independent.ie/entertainment/books/book-reviews/the-feminist-and-her-troubled-transgender-dad-34787186.html

poochie I think there is a massive difference between the aggressive and frankly delusional rhetoric of trans-activists and the individual suffering of people who are trans or believe they are trans. I had a close childhood friend who became a FtMT. His struggles in childhood were hard to watch as he really did feel she was in the wrong body. I am delighted that he is so much happier now, though I don't believe he has a male brain (no such thing) or that he is a man in exactly the same way as someone born XY.

Funnily enough, having been socialised as a girl, he doesn't try to tell men how to behave or call them TERMs for talking about prostate cancer

I'm really split by the whole trans thing - in the past I have been very close to someone who is trans (MtoF) and have seen first hand the despair and upset that having this destructive phenomenon on them causes. It can be heart-breaking to be around. But then he/she has a friend who has hugely benefitted financially from a male dominated career (before transition) so could afford private surgery followed by expensive MBA courses, plus had the strength and know-how to renovate a house but gets upset when the ladies golf team doesn't pick her - neither can see that this person has reaped all the benefits of being male, now wants to be accepted as female.......having seen all of this, I just don't agree that sport should automatically accept trans women as equal to genetic women....

You're right. Two narcissistic Sophie/Sophias then

To be fair I don't think they are the same person. The article is by a Sophie Cook and the twitter is by a Sophia Banks

Sophie's narcissism knows no bounds. Here she is complaining about coverage of Orlando

No one forces them to "disclose their history" by talking about it at length.
They are only forced to remove their pants and show their body before starting to engage in sexual activity. Which is something most normal people do, anyway.

I mean, seriously. Transmen cannot even have an erection the natural way, and I very much doubt it is possible to create anything that really looks like a vulva from male genitals.
The only doubt would be as to whether they are victims of genital mutilation or ... well, people who consented to have their genitals mutilated.

From her photograph I suspect it is not terribly difficult for those women who are not interested in penises to discount Sophie fairly quickly.

For those of us who are interested in penises I suspect that as we're likely to want them attached to men Sophie's lady penis (if she still has it) and Sophie will be of equally little interest.