General Trans Thread Part 3

I probably would have seen him in that way too (mean, bigotted) until I actually started reading stuff and now I feel very differently. I don't personally care all that much about public toilets but that's partly because I just don't use them all that often. But having read a bit about how victims of abuse feel with regard to the loss of single sex spaces I think people need to be more aware of what's actually happening. The transwoman in the video presents as female but most people just don't realise that any dude with a beard can rock up and it's going to be wrong soon to be able to even question that.

I'm sorry, posted the above in the middle of the work day and didn't include any context!

I guess this sort of thing really makes me think about the difference between the transgender debate/controversy that most people are aware of and the types of issues that people on these threads are expressing concerns about. When I've worked up the courage to talk about transgender issues to people IRL (which is rarely) they've gone "oh, you mean the bathroom thing", and then I feel like they see me as they're prompted to see the mean, bigoted restaurant owner in the advert above...

Anyone else catch this?

www.metroweekly.com/2016/07/pro-transgender-ad-premiere-republican-national-convention/

Thst was it, thanks Vesuvia.

No Waiting, the Paris Lees show wasn't the one I was thinking of!

On BBC Radio 4 on Wednesday 20 July 2016 at 9:00 am (then available for 4 weeks on BBC iPlayer)

"Bringing Up Britain: Children and Gender"

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07kq5sv

I just googled and there's "The Paris Lee Sex Show" (?!). I'm guessing that wasn't it?

I heard an advert on one of the BBC radio stations for a programme examining transgender. Unfortunately, I've not been able to find it in the listings. Is anyone else aware of it?

Thanks.

An interesting observation..

The series we're watching is 2007 so not old but not recent

Is it a programme that was made recently Beyond? I'm curious to know how that will change given some of the higher profile trans actors around at the moment.

Random conversation...

DH - I wonder if x (TG role) is played by a real TG person
Me - no, that's a woman
DH - nah, Google it, I reckon x is really mtt
Me - no, she's a woman

See, woman.

I've said before, I think it's very intentional that TG roles are usually played by the 'end result' actors.

I've just seen this article on Facebook about British primary schools struggling to cope with the number of kids identifying as trans: www.rt.com/uk/350929-transgender-children-school-pressure.

Maybe at some point there will be a tipping point but at the moment... why are so many people just accepting this?

wanting I have read something similar...probably someone in FWR.

Incidentally, I remember reading about someone who was a member of many different feminist groups, one of which had more male people in it than female. The transwomen behaved much like men and several actual women left the group as a result, feeling like they couldn't fight male entitlement in society if it was allowed to happen within their feminist group. Does anyone know what that was? I might site such an example in various letters I'm writing at the moment.

Transwoman apparently arrested for voyeurism (photo taking) in a target changing room. But it's local American press so may not be accurate.

www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/man-dressed-woman-caught-taking-photos-dressing-room/

Thanks for reposting that thread Beyond. Why not post it on chat too to see if more people might write to them?

Just in case anyone hasn't seen the Abortion Support Network thread ... :(

It's so annoying how the only other people fighting this stuff are of the very right, gay -hating variety. It's odd being on that team iykwim.

Does anyone know if the 2 British Transolympians are the only potential trans olympians at this year's Olympics? Several papers etc have suggested that we're the only team that is thinking of putting trans athletes forward but I was wondering if that's just because we're the only one that's announced that we're thinking of doing it. How much secrecy is there surrounding the teams of other countries? Any knowledgeable sports fans out there?

Oops I just signed it shins didn't even think about where it had originated was just glad to be able express my view. I will do that in future though so thanks for the info. I just hope I don't get bombarded with emails from them. Like you I find these people beneath contempt but am also very angry about 'men barging in" as you say.They seem to be barging in everywhere and stomping all over our rights...

Not sure about that Citizengo petition EightNoineTen. Look at the other petitions on it, it seems motivated by socially conservative religious nutters trying to ban abortion and suppress gay rights unfortunately. That's what drives me mad about this - I'm a liberal progressive feminist and my objection to men barging into women's athletics seems to place me on the same side as these loons.

Lady brains for all! Nobody has a gentleman's brain though.

Here's a petition against the IOC asking for fairness in the Olympic games: www.citizengo.org/en/sc/35683-fairnessatrio-female-athletes?tc=tw&tcid=24886134

I just find the idea of a person saying they were "always" female when they were born genotypically and phenotypically male nonsensical. In what other way is it possible to be female? I guess we're back to special lady brains again.
I can't multitask and am rubbish at make up and rarely wear jewellery, perhaps I'm really male, or perhaps the genders just aren't that binary.

That's such a good point eight although I think the ideology is moving away from that description with more and more trans people saying their body/penis etc was always "female" since they feel female. In which case the definition of trans seems to become something along the lines of "someone who was assigned the wrong pronouns at birth".

If the definition of trans is "someone whose gender identity does not match their biological sex", there is an admission of the fact that a transwoman has the biological sex: male. In which case why does this get forgotten in every discussion of trans people? To mention the truth to some people when talking about sports or abortion or periods is heresy, but it's an accepted and fundamental part of being trans.

So many inconsistencies!

I still have my dog-eared copy of Backlash from my early 1990s student days. It's even more bitterly relevant now. Who would've thought that the new fronts to open up would be the transactivist movement and men from stone age cultures being allowed to trample over decades of progress so that women in Germany and Sweden are being advised to restrict their movements for their own safety. I could not have imagined this back then and I'm sure Susan Faludi couldn't either.