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Recovery from sexual harassment in work

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DailyFailAteMyFish · 28/05/2016 09:29

Hi,
Anyone have any books/websites I could read to help recovery from an incident of sexual harassment in work? It was a bit unsavory and has knocked my confidence a bit. I work in a male dominated industry and was on a promotion track. I am so angry with this guy and so angry with myself that a few comments and can have such an impact.

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DailyFailAteMyFish · 01/07/2016 22:15

Frankly in retrospect I wish I'd set fire to the note and called the manager an insensitive knob.
I'll play it out like that in my head.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 01/07/2016 11:29

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DailyFailAteMyFish · 30/06/2016 21:37

Yes Buffy! How right you are!
I got pulled into a meeting today where my manager's manager apologised for not knowing I was stressed and tried to give me a note of apology from the douchehead expressing his remorse.
I thanked him and was very nice about it. They thought HR had been handling everything. I said I knew they didn't get a lot of cases like this.
I refused the note from the douchehead though. He's had enough space in my head. I apologised if it looked cold but I had moved on and didn't want to revisit things.

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DailyFailAteMyFish · 27/06/2016 19:17

Sorry for the typos!

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DailyFailAteMyFish · 27/06/2016 19:15

So, this should hopefully be near the end of this thread.
I spoke to the nice woman in HR.
I stated I had no axe to grind, was making no complaints, but I thought the process could be improved.
I sited the lack of formal communication, paper trail and timelines.
I stated there was no support, no offers of support and that my family had been damaged by the lack of support.
I suggested what they coukd have done to help.
I also showed her the email from my senior manager about the cover up story and stated that he had apparently smirked when discussing the situation.
She is going to raise the need for sensitivity with the sm.
Best of all, she is going to add a unit on supporting people through a sexual harassment case to some manager training they are given. This hould mean that in future managers will know what to do so they can support people.
And... Today douchehead moved desks.
Ahhhh

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JedRambosteen · 24/06/2016 15:53

Atta girl! Make sure you follow it up with an email confirming your points raised & any agreed actions on either side.

DailyFailAteMyFish · 24/06/2016 15:38

I am going to meet with one of the women in the HR department informally on Monday morning and describe what I feel are some gaps that need to be addressed.
I'll point out the lack of support, the lack of formal communication regarding the complaint, the lack of timeline and the email from the manager with his colluding request.
This should hopefully mean that the next person will not go through this!

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erinaceus · 24/06/2016 09:20

His need for support for his alcoholism do not trump your right not to be harassed at work, nor your need for support.

Are your workplace meeting with you to see how you are getting on and if you need support?

Flowers
JedRambosteen · 24/06/2016 06:54

Add that 'support for him' (but not for you) to your constructive dismissal jotter. Bastards!

DecaffCoffeeAndRollupsPlease · 23/06/2016 22:58

It's... Eye opening.

Have they offered you support?

I'm glad you have people, like your dh in rl. What does he make of how the company have acted, he works there too doesn't he?

DailyFailAteMyFish · 23/06/2016 21:04

I think I'm ok Buffy! Thanks to you and the others here, friends and my husband in real life. Flowers
I feel a bit sorry for the douchehead though, I think he has a problem with alcohol and has been drinking a lot when not in the office. It's incredibly bizarre though, isn't it?

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DailyFailAteMyFish · 23/06/2016 20:46

This is a beauty.
There was a meeting with the guy who harassed me today to see how he was getting on and if he needed support.
Isn't that nice?
I thought that was nice.

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DailyFailAteMyFish · 23/06/2016 07:34

Nothing much, though I did tell the manager that if he was looking to stop rumours with a cover story now he was far too late.

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DecaffCoffeeAndRollupsPlease · 22/06/2016 16:06

Just checking in Daily.

DecaffCoffeeAndRollupsPlease · 19/06/2016 21:09

Yes, I think that you should write up a critique of the process, for yourself as well as anyone who comes after. What are the major points you would like to see changed?

DailyFailAteMyFish · 19/06/2016 09:54

Thanks everyone for the good advice, I do appreciate it!
Glad we have ousted the troll.
I have been fighting for nearly a month now. I don't want to take on my senior manager. He is very much admired in the area and by the upper levels of management. Though it is acknowledged he's a bit of a git.
Kidnapped, your idea is perfect, it focuses on exactly what he has asked and gets him to confirm it. I think with his cover story plan he was putting effort into seeking a smooth transition for the dude and didn't consider the actual implications of what he was asking. This will focus him on what he was asking and will hopefully make him realise that it was a stupid suggestion.
I will also confirm with HR that there is nothing to stop me confirming I raised a grievance and the result. That will keep me in the clear.
I am not in a union. I don't plan to take this to an industrial tribunal. Constructive dismissal is very difficult to prove and I don't want to waste any more personal energy on this. I will mention this in my exit interview and state it is why I'm going.
Erinaceus, I wonder if they think I am planning to sue them. That tactic of meeting and then emailing the discussion points raised in the meeting to all the attendees including HR is exactly what the senior manager did.
I do appreciate your comments about being courageous and fighting for those who come after. I'm tired of this preying on my mind and the hatred I feel for the dude. I need closure. I've seen the impact this has had on my work and I don't want it to damage my reputation.

I wondered if would be worthwhile sending an email to HR about their processes, a kind of lessons learned document about what I felt could be improved. This would help anyone coming after me.

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erinaceus · 19/06/2016 08:44

I am sorry that this is happening to you. I do not have the impression that you are about to decide not to pursue this, but if you do decide to stop, for whatever reason or none, that is your right as well and I would support you in that. You must look after yourself in the middle of all of this.

I once heard, at a panel discussion, someone asked why the panel member endures the equivalent to the type of discussion you are having with your management, herself. She answered that she endures the pain for future women and not for herself. This is honourable but it is not an obligation. Do what you can and seek support for yourself, here and from your husband who sounds as if he has a good sense of humour and perspective.

I am not expert in the law, but I agree that if you were to resign you would have a case for constructive dismissal, should you wish to pursue this, and that documenting every conversation, including that one in which someone mentioned a cover story is what you need to do. It is possible to make notes during a meeting, show them to the person in the meeting, and then email them around there and then, or, yes, bring a union rep, third party, or someone from HR to witness the conversations.

From the perspective of your organisation, your managers may believe that losing you, even with a constructive dismissal case, risk to the organisation's reputation and all, to be the lesser loss than losing him. Depending on the short- and long-term goals of the organisation, they may even be right, tragic as it is. I would not run an organisation along such lines, and I do not run a organisation. I once heard corporations described as people without souls.

You are being courageous Flowers

DecaffCoffeeAndRollupsPlease · 19/06/2016 01:13

If you do end up leaving over how management have dealt with your sexual harassment, I think you might have a case for constructive dismissal, and or sexual discrimination.

do you have legal advice through your home insurance, or a union?

Kidnapped · 18/06/2016 22:38

Previously banned poster apparently. And has been banned again.

Sorry about this, DailyFail.

Kidnapped · 18/06/2016 20:56

Red bin dipper is a derogatory reference to the people of Liverpool so I think any hope for intelligent debate is futile.

Have reported.

JedRambosteen · 18/06/2016 20:31

Daily - you have no need to explain or justify. We believe you.

DailyFailAteMyFish · 18/06/2016 20:29

Why redbindipper do you think I would be stupid enough to detail the exact allegation and method? Hey, perhaps I should name the industry and company too? Hey to make things simpler I'll just take all the emails and names and post them on this forum for you to read!

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JedRambosteen · 18/06/2016 20:19

I've just reported one of redbindipper's comments in another thread (a marital rape one). With any luck the one above will get zapped soon too.... Hmm

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