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Puffinity · 20/05/2016 21:30

More of an AIBU but I don't want the AIBU treatment and I know I'll get a more sympathetic hearing here.

I am getting married next month. A while ago we were out and about with future FIL. He was quite insistent the proper form of address for me would be Mrs [partner's first name] [partner's last name], even though he knows I am keeping my own name despite it being a pain in the bum to spell as forrin because 'that's the tradition'. I just grit my teeth and ignored it but FFS, can everyone just collectively fuck off with the importance of tradition?! I said I will not be Mrs [someone else-who-isn't-even-the-same-sex's name], stop being so bloody disrespectful!!!

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Puffinity · 20/05/2016 23:23

rainbow - that makes sense completely. And it is of course everyone's individual choice anyway, I hasten to add. phoolani - good point about not mentioning it. A colleague of mine (my mum's generation) asked if I'd be changing my name and I said I wouldn't, to which she replied 'Good! I didn't change mine either' Nice to meet a kindred spirit but could have been awkward if I'd said yes Smile

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phoolani · 20/05/2016 23:01

Would never change my name, my kids have my name and there was no way it was going to be any different. I don't explain any of it to anyone.

readingrainbow · 20/05/2016 22:52

I changed my name, in huge part because I wanted to distance myself from my abusive father and his side of the family. I've told my DC they can do what they like. We have a nice surname and the children like it. Fair enough, they should keep it then!

tribpot · 20/05/2016 22:48

I know very few women who have kept their own name after marriage (as I have).

Surely the proper form of address for a person is the form of address which they wish to be used. Even Debretts does not mandate the (frankly dreadful) Mrs DH's Initial DH's surname. You may expect a long-running battle on this issue with older/archaic relatives, even well-meaning friends may forget and assume you've changed your name. I find this particularly astounding when it's my own friends, some of whom have never even met DH, and thus must have to try much harder to remember his surname than mine.

Don't ignore it - just calmly point it out at every reasonable opportunity.

My favourite comment came not long after my wedding from my grandmother who was then in her eighties. She called me [My First Name] and then hesitated trying to decide which surname to use and then complained "it's so hard to remember your surname these days". Really - so hard to remember the surname I have had for my entire life? Sorry to make it so difficult Confused

AHellOfABird · 20/05/2016 22:47

Oh found this

If I chose to take my new husband's name, I'd be far from alone. A Eurobarometer survey, conducted in 1994, suggested that 94% of British women took their husbands' names when they got married. Recent smaller-scale research, however, suggests that this proportion has shrunk over the last two decades, especially among highly-educated and younger women. In 2013, academic Dr Rachel Thwaites found that 75% of respondents took their husband's names. Just last month, the Discourses of Marriage Research Group, a multi-institutional network interested in marriage equality, found that 54% of female respondents did the same.

So numbers are growing, it seems.,

Puffinity · 20/05/2016 22:41

I grew up on the continent (sorry, don't want to elaborate further) - have just discovered that it works the same way in France as it does where I'm from.

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Puffinity · 20/05/2016 22:39

I need to read - 30% not changing corresponds to my experience a lot better Smile

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Puffinity · 20/05/2016 22:35

Sorry, should have said 'your legal name changes if you decide to take your partner's name upon marriage' - I realise there is an element of choice involved Smile. Really surprised to hear that 70% don't change - that doesn't tally with my (admittedly) anecdotal evidence. But great stuff!

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thatstoast · 20/05/2016 22:34

I think it's the case that 70% do change. Keeping your name is definitely the minority in my social circle. I've noticed that there's a very odd romantic narrative that's built up around name changing. Only for women of course. Men who change their name are ridiculed in my experience.

Where are you from?

AHellOfABird · 20/05/2016 22:26

On another thread, someone said 70% or so don't change name now.

Yanbu of course.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 20/05/2016 22:23

In the UK you can legally change your name at any time you want. You don't have to wait until you are married and obviously there is no legal requirement to change your name just because you get married.

My mother married twice and didn't change her name. I didn't change mine. My son has his father's surname (I wish I'd used mine)

Puffinity · 20/05/2016 21:38

Just so I'm not accused of starting a million threads/ commenting on the same issue everywhere - can I use this opportunity to ask what the general feeling is on women taking their husband's name upon marriage? My mum never did, I'm not planning to and I am frankly surprised at the number of women of my generation (I'm 31) who do. I have even more issues with the fact that in the UK, you actually legally change your name when you marry - where I'm from you can have a note added in your passport stating who you are married to and can then indicate to the authorities which (combination of) name(s) you would like to be addressed by. There is also complete equality of choices for men and women regarding name choice/ usage, which there is not in the UK. Anyway, I am surprised at the number of women happy to change (what I would consider) an important part of their identity from one day to the next. I think it is a deeply sexist tradition that has terrible connotations of ownership/ subservience. I don't buy the all wanting to have the same name as a family - we didn't as a family and it never caused any problems, ever! Your views are welcome!

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