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I am a woman because I say so

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Darrowisred · 04/05/2016 18:39

Bought Grazia not realising it was a special gender issue.

Paris Lees has three pages of editorial.

Gems include;

'I don't need permission to use the label 'woman', I'm a woman because I say so'.

And

'Womankind is a broad church, and it's time to celebrate our wonderfully diverse congregation'.

And

'When my win (as female comment writer of the year) was announced, it unleashed a barrage of transphobic abuse. 'What a farce, Lees is a man' wrote one'.

Finally

'I love being a woman'.

Aaaargh.

OP posts:
Kidnapped · 04/05/2016 22:20

There are lots of convicted criminals who identify as innocent.

There are very few (if any) law-abiding people who identify as guilty.

Do we believe them all? Or do we take evidence into account?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/05/2016 22:15

If someone says they are a flamingo, they are a flamingo. QED.

WellErrr · 04/05/2016 22:13

If someone says they are a woman. They are a woman.

If someone says they are a man. They are a man.

Don't be daft.

PalmerViolet · 04/05/2016 22:12

Blink, you can identify as a circus pony for all I care. I don't have to collude with your delusions. In fact, it would be morally and ethically wrong of me to do so.

Rollinginthevalley · 04/05/2016 22:12

Shall we all walk around in dresses saying 'We identify as men' so give us:

98% of the world's wealth
120% of women's (oops NotMen's) wages
5% of the housework
10% of the childcare
150% of NotMen's pensions

I could go on ...

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 04/05/2016 22:12

I was convinced I was an alien princess when I was five.

WindyMillersProbationOfficer · 04/05/2016 22:08

Blink, if I say I am former UN Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali, does that give me the right to convene a peacekeeping force when I argue with my husband?

Kidnapped · 04/05/2016 22:00

Maybe not scientifically. Or AT ALL.

BevyofQuails · 04/05/2016 21:59

Doubleplus good newspeak there blink. Well done.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/05/2016 21:57

I just got dh to say 'I am a woman', to see if it is physically possible for someone to say it and not be. Unless that means he is? Shock

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/05/2016 21:55

Do you seriously believe that, Blink? What do you think 'woman' means? Is it possible someone might ever be mistaken, or lying?

LyndaNotLinda · 04/05/2016 21:54

That doesn't even make any sense Blink.

blinkyoullmissit · 04/05/2016 21:52

If someone says they are a woman. They are a woman.

If someone says they are a man. They are a man.

Maybe not scientifically. But if someone identifies as either man or woman or even neither. That is what they are.

Kidnapped · 04/05/2016 21:49

Shallishanti, I liked that article.

This I hadn't really thought about before:

“Men are always looking back to a time when men were men and trying to bring that back. I’m saying you’ve got to look forward, mate. Women are always looking forward. Feminism always looks to how women can be – and that’s fine. It doesn’t stop them being women.”

And he is absolutely right. Sorry, not about the topic in hand but interesting nonetheless.

WellErrr · 04/05/2016 21:45

No male privilege there then....!

I certainly won't be buying Grazia again.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/05/2016 21:37

Whatevs. Paris Lees is a man, and a fairly misogynist one at that based on his published writing.
Men can all agree he's a woman if they like, makes no difference.

HermioneWeasley · 04/05/2016 21:33

It's possible Paris Lees was on here th other day asking for contributions to Vice. If he's still here, I hope he sees what we all think of him.

Shallishanti · 04/05/2016 21:03

Interesting article here from Grayson Perry discussing masculinity- he is asked about men self defining as women and he says that identity is co-created, if you say you are X and everyone else says you are not, are you really X?
I think his programme on masculinity will be interesting.

grimbletart · 04/05/2016 20:54

I am so fed up with these arrogant, narcissistic, ego-tripping fantasists.

As for the idiot young, 'cool', men in frocks are women because they say so, supporters - be bloody careful what you wish for. This is going to come back and bite you on the bum when the penny drops and you realise you have simply been conned by entitled males who fancy swanning round in a frock and lipstick and thinking that makes them women.

Will someone teach these prats who have clearly never had a biology lesson in their lives the difference between sex and gender? Please.

HermioneWeasley · 04/05/2016 20:11

glen it's good to know they're willing to sacrifice subscriptions for this issue?! Confused

glenthebattleostrich · 04/05/2016 20:10

I cancelled my grazia subscription when they got a trans columnist who wrote women should be grateful that they don't have to make difficult choices like their name. You know let's fucking the whole changing sirname on marriage shit.

I phoned and emailed but the only response was that yes they've had lots of people cancel subscriptions because of the trans issue.

HermioneWeasley · 04/05/2016 20:05
LyndaNotLinda · 04/05/2016 20:04

'Good girl gone bad'

Bleugh

TheSuspiciousMsWhicher · 04/05/2016 20:02

Yes, Hermione Paris Lees likes being wolf whistled at in the street. Of course she does. It's a validation that she's 'passing' that she is a 'real woman'. There is no understanding at all that actual women may find it tedious/intimidating/upsetting/whatever.

LyndaNotLinda · 04/05/2016 20:01

Yes, that's Paris. And enjoys bring fucked by several penii at once because women enjoy being treated like multiple fuck holes. I guess if your mangina is made from your colon, a fuck doesn't feel quite the same as it does if you have an actual vagina