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Is freedom of speech at British unis under threat?

36 replies

EDisFunny · 25/04/2016 12:14

Was anyone watching Victoria Derbyshire this morning?

I was struck by the irony of the NUS arguing on the one hand for no platforming of opinions they don't agree with, because someone might be offended (Julie Bindel, for instance), and then, on the other hand, stating that the new, controversial, incoming president of the NUS (Malia Bouattia) should be given the chance to explain her views even if they are controversial.

I took away from it that they agree with no platforming opinions with which they disagree. It seemed very childish and they didn't come off very well.

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Bumbledumb · 25/04/2016 17:12

When was the last time any of you were invited to speak at a University? Are they denying you the right to speak also?

Not inviting someone to speak is not the same as denying them the right to speak. No one has a right to be invited to speak. If I refuse to invite Julie Bindel to dinner, I am not denying her the right to eat.

Ricardian · 25/04/2016 16:57

"What are this president's new and controversial opinions?"

Birmingham is full of Jews who control the media. Apparently.

Grimarse · 25/04/2016 16:36

The risk that you might hear or read some dickhead spouting offensive nonsense is the price of living in a free society. I cannot see how banning anyone works in the long run. I'd rather the idiots and hate-mongers were given a platform. At least we can spot them then.

Mide7 · 25/04/2016 15:15

I've said this before here but I still think everyone is all for freedom of speech until someone says something they find offensive.

VestalVirgin · 25/04/2016 14:09

To elaborate: People always act as if the freedom to say sexist, racist, etc. things is under attack.

And indeed, the general public might think that being a sexist, racist asshole is considered wrong. And indeed, those "non-politically correct" opinions are met with plenty of (purely verbal) criticism.

But somehow, if you look at who really gets serious, real consequences for speaking their opinion ... it is never the rich white dudes who side with other rich white dudes.

VestalVirgin · 25/04/2016 14:02

She hasn't assumed the role yet but, as Almond points out, she has spoken out in a way that is offensive to many Jews.

Well, that's nothing new, isn't it? Apparently antisemitism is not as dead as I thought it was.

There's a pattern, isn't there? Continuing old, honoured traditions of oppression is just fine.
Speaking out against oppression ... that is what you get no-platformed for.

If she had spoken out against antisemitism, I would have been more surprised.

Dervel · 25/04/2016 13:48

I think the idea of no platforming at Universities is oxymoronic. They are academic institutions of higher learning.

EDisFunny · 25/04/2016 13:40

She hasn't assumed the role yet but, as Almond points out, she has spoken out in a way that is offensive to many Jews.

It is the cognitive dissonance of supporting Bouattia whilst no platforming Julie that does my head in.

I was a bit distracted earlier so I think I will watch again on iplayer. It was an interesting show.

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LaminateAnecdotes · 25/04/2016 13:38

A number of university student unions are talking about disaffiliating from the NUS

Hmm
almondpudding · 25/04/2016 13:18

They are pretty controversial.

It's around the conflation of Jewish people and Zionism, and stereotyping Zionists in identical ways to how Jews have been stereotyped in the past.

A number of university student unions are talking about disaffiliating from the NUS.

VestalVirgin · 25/04/2016 13:10

What are this president's new and controversial opinions?

I bet they aren't really that new and controversial.

These days, "freedom of speech" is most often cited by asshats who want to spew sexist and/or racist bullshit with impunity.

While the actual freedom of speech of people who actually want to say something controversial, such as Julie Bindel, is under threat. Or perhaps already dead.