Men as protectors

Hahahaha at firefighters carrying people down 10 flights of stairs. And hahahaha on firefighters being protectors. Almondpudding has nailed it. Firefighters don't break their back doing that.

What do men do when work is too heavy/tiring/awkward/dangerous for them, I wonder? Hmmmm. Let's think about that. Do they use tools? Or other methods perhaps? So let's think again what would women do faced with a similar situations? Hmmmm hard one. Ooh ooh I know tools or other methods? Wild guess I know

For the record a common way firefighters rescue people out of burning buildings is to put them on a chair and carry them out between two of them. And firefighters don't just rescue people from burning buildings. In fact that is a very small and rare part of the job. Thankfully. They are far more likely to be wielding bolt cutters and angle grinders and rescuing people from cars wrapped round trees .

Pop these fellas on your sofa, GirlSailor, and feel all safe and patronised:
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Not that I wouldn't be extremely grateful to the firefighter who rescued me, but I'd rather be protected from fire to a greater degree, so that there was no fire in the first place. Fire retardant coatings etc do this. And fire doors. Can men cover my sofa to protect it from bursting into flames, or swell up to contain a fire?

Btw, I'm pretty confident I could pass those tests, and I am definitely female.

Wtf?

The fact that firefighters (who can be either male or female) exist = men are protectors.

Really?

Sure, some women couldn't be firefighters as they wouldn't pass the tests, but neither could a weaker man, or an older man, or a physically disabled man etc...

No hidden meaning. I'm not given to irony or humour either (on this site)

In any case it's probably best not to overthink, don't you think? It will interfere with your sandwich-making ability.

They probably rescue. Who knows. Perhaps IrishDad can come back to tell us whether sanitary pads protect or rescue, and whether condoms protect or rescue.

Perhaps sanitary pads are also male, and we should marry them as well?

How terribly confusing!

Or condoms? Condoms protect people from STIs and women from pregnancy, are they protecty enough?

(OK I'm sniggering now because the "protection" thing is reminding me how sanitary pads "protect" you and make you feel safe walking down a dark alley in the middle of Crime City.)

Yes Palmer. To be protected you have to marry a fireman. Not a firefighter - they might be women and that would be useless. A fireman.

HTH.

Never...

Does that mean that we all have to marry firefighters? I can see that causing a few problems, not least of which would be my DH who would have things to say about it all.Or shall we merely have firefighters only male ones obvs standing outside our houses to ensure they are available to do the wrong kind of rescuing as per Irishdad's firefighter fantasties?

I give up.

IrishDad You are so right. Men protect women. Especially firemen. In fact because firemen protect women therefore it is true that men protect women in general. All those violence by men against women and girls - exceptions. You know. Exceptions.

Not all men are like that, you know, feminists.

Happy?

Irish One thing you'll find out about Buffy, is that she's not often wrong about things.

You lost the argument to start with by trying to broaden it to include firemen rescuing people over their shoulders, when the thread has nothing to do with that

Own your mistake and engage with the thread properly

BuffytheReasonableFeminist

"That's not protection. That's rescue."

So, rescuing a person from a fire does not constitute protecting that person from said fire? Riiiiiigggghhhhht.

Nothing screams losing an argument than quoting dictionary definitions.

I used to play high level rugby. I wish I had known that women can't carry people, those drills where we had to run up and down the park carrying 12 stone prop forwards over our shoulders were fucking brutal. I could have avoided all that pain by pleading my uterus!

Sorry, a bit off topic, but from Lurcio's link:

^Ladder Climb

This is a test of confidence whilst working at height. Candidates must demonstrate the correct ‘leg lock’ at ground level before commencing the test. Wearing full Personal Protective Equipment (PPE), including a harness, candidates must ascend a fully extended 13.5 metre ladder to approximately second storey height and demonstrate a ‘leg lock’.

The candidate will then be required to lean back with arms outstretched and describe a symbol shown on the floor. The candidate will then descend.^

Fuck that for a lark. Anyone who has the guts to do that has my total respect, man or woman. Do you fancy a crack at that, IrishDad?

Firefighters generally do not rescue people by carrying them down flights of stairs!

They attach people to harnesses and drag them. It is demonstrated to have a lower risk of death and disability to the person being removed from the fire.

There may be rare occasions when people have to be carried, but then there are also rare occasions when people have got to be pulled from small crawl spaces that only smaller firefighters can get into.

I can't be arsed to get into the whole thing, but just as a safety reminder, should you ever need to escape a smoke filled environment, remember smoke and heat rise. Do not carry people. Keep them close to the floor wherever possible.

The Fire Service's official webpage giving the tests firefighters have to pass

You are factually inaccurate, Irish Dad. All firefighters, regardless of sex, have to pass these tests in order to be eligible to do the job. It may well be the case that a lower percentage of women in the general population would be capable of passing some of the tests than the percentage of men in the general population. But if you're in a fire, the fire fighters in attendance will not be randoms plucked off the street, they will be trained firefighters who have gone through the selection process for the job. Thus all female firefighters will have passed these tests - they would not have got the job otherwise.

A firefighter will specifically train for rescues and will not be allowed to remain in the job if unable to perform them. This isn't about the average man and average woman. I'm sure that a 45 year old fireman is slower than a 25 year old one, but provided he can still pass the physical tests, so?

Could you do that carry, irish dad? If not, then firefighters of either sex are your protectors/rescuers.

Could a female firefighter carry an unconscious adult, or even adolescent, human being down several flights of stairs of a burning building? Realistically, no. Certainly not as quickly as a male firefighter could.

On average, sometimes, possibly. I'd be shit at carrying someone down several flights of stairs. My friend Ingrid, who is a semi-professional basketballer, would be much better at it.

Why are you so keen to stick the boot into women?