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What do people think of this going on at my daughter's primary school?

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DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 10:45

Nationalism with some gender stereotyping thrown in for good measure? Girls bring in something sweet?! 😒

What do people think of this going on at my daughter's primary school?
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Letustryagain · 14/04/2016 11:21

Uhhh Amelia, don't be dissing my old school!! Wink

Letustryagain · 14/04/2016 11:20

Doctor!!!!! - I'm more interested in the school to be honest because that was my Primary school just over 30 years ago!!!!!

I now live about 1 mile from there... Wink

NewStartNewName · 14/04/2016 11:19

St Georges Day is April 23rd actually, and heaven forbid we should actually celebrate being English or as your DDs school is - British!

You are seriously making something out of nothing, if they don't split who brings what then there will just be 30 lots of cake or something daft like that.

There's nothing wrong with celebrating being British - we should do it more often, and kids learn very little about British culture at school, and even less about our own history.

ameliaesmith · 14/04/2016 11:19

Decoy primary school? What's it a decoy for?

PresidentCJCregg · 14/04/2016 11:17

Good lord, this is some overthinking.

Savoury/sweet seems the easiest way to split food requests.

And the British thing? Well, this is Britain so...

If I lived in Spain would I feel offended or excluded by a Spanish festival? Of course not. Confused

guerre · 14/04/2016 11:17

St George's Day is April 23rd!
Same as Shakespeare's birthday (and death day)

RhombusRiley · 14/04/2016 11:16

They have probably said princesses and knights as they know people are likely to have those costumes - which at least recognises that coming up with costumes is a hassle. OTOH there are many more interesting things you could be for a British theme – morris dancer, pearly queen, loch ness monster, shakespeare etc.

WaspsandBeesSting · 14/04/2016 11:14

It is St George's Day on 24th April, they are probably tapping into that.

I like many pp don't have an issue with is and think you are reading too much into it.

CocktailQueen · 14/04/2016 11:14

Hm, I can see why you're cross. But I also think it's a good thing for schools to celebrate being British! (At the moment there's a drive for schools to promote 'British values;' so perhaps this is what this is all about.)

At nursery I remember ds celebrated Diwali, Chinese new year and all sorts, and not one British event. hey ho.

I'd maybe have a quiet word with the teacher: 'What a great idea, and how about doing a day to celebrate another nationality? Such fun!' and suggesting that next time the boys bring sweet and the girls savoury, or different year groups bring different foods.

DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 11:12

Problem is a predict a load of girls just being dressed up as generic "princesses", not famous British ones...

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LauraChant · 14/04/2016 11:12

Basically the school has completely misunderstood the requirement to promote British values in the curriculum. I spoke to education-type people about this recently for work, and the idea is that you promote the British values of tolerance, democracy and whatever they have been defined at. Everyone said it is definitely not about Union Jack bunting, cream teas, fish and chips etc, and they were all head in hands at the fact that so many nurseries and schools were interpreting it in this way.

MrNoseybonk · 14/04/2016 11:11

The funny thing is, this is probably a St George's Day event and the school probably changed it to British to avoid offending anyone :)

DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 11:11

I wish there was a like button tei!

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TeiTetua · 14/04/2016 11:10

Seems to me they expect the girls to made of sugar and spice and everything nice; unfortunately snips and snails and puppy-dogs' tails don't fit a menu so well.

MrNoseybonk · 14/04/2016 11:09

Why are princesses 'British', particularly given that most of the fairytale ones were German or French.
It doesn't say that, it says famous Britains, Kings / Queens, etc. I would think it means British Kings, Queens, Princesses, not that Kings, Queens, Princesses are solely the domain of Britain Hmm

Natsku · 14/04/2016 11:09

The boy/girl divide is obviously to make an even split of savoury and sweet but probably there was an element of assumption that girls = sweet in choosing which way to split it but apart from that, I don't see the problem with it. Nothing wrong with celebrating National culture, I'm sure a lot of time is spent learning about other cultures (certainly from my memories of primary school it was, lots of times we had to dress up as people from other cultures).

RhombusRiley · 14/04/2016 11:08

OP I know where you're coming from. It's the type of unthinking, stereotyped sexist attitude that I see all the time at our primary school. I remember being horrified when DS started P1 that each child had a little picture next to their coat hook - girls had princesses, butterflies or flowers while boys had tractors, space rockets etc. Angry It was especially dumb as there's a girl in the class who likes to wear "boys" uniform and have short hair and would have hated to be categorised in that way. But i know that if I'd raised it I'd have been met with blank stares. It's insidious and it really, really DOES matter but good luck trying to get primary school staff to see that. I have no idea why but at least at our state primary – which is excellent in many ways – it's like attitudes to race and gender are out of the 1950s. Nothing overt, just a total failure to recognise, deal with and reverse creeping, under-the-radar stereotyping like this.

I can also see why some people would say this isn't a big deal as it's a fairly minor example – but I like you would have clocked it immediately and it would piss me off.

Chlobee87 · 14/04/2016 11:07

You sound like you are resolved to be offended by this so not really sure why you asked for opinions. I don't think it's unusual for a school in any country to occasionally hold a celebration of their own culture. I have seen this in French and Spanish schools for instance and I'm sure they do it all over the place. I'm sure your DD learns about plenty of other cultures in her lessons.

ApocalypseSlough · 14/04/2016 11:05

I'm an overthinker and would have swapped around the boys'/ girls' requirements. And tbh the fact that it's in deepest whitest Devon makes me a bit Hmm about it. In Tower Hamlets, yes and I'd want to see a fab v English spread that was genuinely inclusive- viz marmite or egg and cress sandwiches rather than pork pies and sausages.

DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 11:02

I'll send her in in a very boring wrap dress and she can pretend to be kate Middleton

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DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 11:00

I'd rather have my daughter learning about other cultures she doesn't get exposed to - she is surrounded by "British" people/culture all the time!

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Chlobee87 · 14/04/2016 10:58

Yeah I think you're overreacting tbh. It sounds like a lovely day for the children, and getting boys and girls to bring different things is purely logistics so that there's a decent spread of different items. Nothing at all wrong with celebrating British heritage in Britain. Even if a family is not British, they live here and send their children to school here so presumably they like Britain and would be happy to join in with our cultural celebrations? I just don't see how this is grounds for anybody to be offended, sorry.

RiverTam · 14/04/2016 10:57

The whole thing sounds crap. Why are princesses 'British', particularly given that most of the fairytale ones were German or French. England has no national dress so hopeless if most kids are English.

It's boringly predictable that girls have the sweet option. I can see guidelines are useful but it's such a lazy way to do it, but schools seem to buy into gender stereotypes quite often.

DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 10:57

Yes Gandalf that was my gut reaction. These are impressionable kids, not sure I want my 5 year old insidiously conditioned in this way. Btw we live in the south west where 99.9% of the pupils are white British, but I know that there is a polish girl in my daughter's class. Just seems horribly exclusive for the very small minority of non-British kids in the school.

I bet this is to satisfy a Tory influenced requirement of the national curriculum.

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starry0ne · 14/04/2016 10:54

I actually think it is great..WE seem to celebrate St Patricks day here more than St George's day...

Also I see nothing wrong with the divide.. It is an easy way of dividing the school.. I can say in our school the intake has dropped so splitting between years wouldn't make it equal... I really not sure what your issue is as I can't see one?

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