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What do people think of this going on at my daughter's primary school?

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DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 10:45

Nationalism with some gender stereotyping thrown in for good measure? Girls bring in something sweet?! 😒

What do people think of this going on at my daughter's primary school?
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NewStartNewName · 14/04/2016 12:43

Mini it's just a non-issue, like I said my DSs have been asked to bring both on different occasions, it's got nothing to do with anything more than food, people just like to have something to object to. No matter how they assigned it, someone somewhere would have been "offended" as it seems to be a lot of people's favourite past time.

WellErrr · 14/04/2016 12:40

The overwhelming majority here think it is not offensive.

I will go further; as a feminist, I feel that pearl clutching about non-issues such as this does quite a lot of harm to the cause.

JasperDamerel · 14/04/2016 12:39

That whole thing makes me feel a little bit uneasy. For similar events in our school, each child is given a request to bring a particular thing, eg fruit, sandwiches, crisps.

Regarding the Britishness thing, I think that it's a pointless without any background teaching about Britain, and is basically a way of reinforcing everyone's stereotypes. It might have been nice, for instance, to look at different counties or regions with famous people, foods, events and traditions for each one, and had each class do something to do with their particular county.
Or look at folk music and folk tales.
Or look at the story of St George and have a knights and dragons day.
Or learn about what schools are like in a few other countries and what is different and special about their school.

DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 12:38

It is not the first error of its kind on school hand outs...Hmm

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MiniMover · 14/04/2016 12:37

The 'famous Britains' needs pointing out to school though.

guerre · 14/04/2016 12:36

wasps that is hilarious that it is DH's b'day too! Grin
Hope he has a good one (don't forget his present!)

DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 12:36

Just because YOU are not offended by something, doesn't mean it is NOT offensive to someone else.

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MiniMover · 14/04/2016 12:35

NewStart, that's exactly why it's subconscious. Nobody gives it a second thought. Nor do they see anything wrong in the decision. Nor do they ever consider that they are subtly conditioned to automatically assign sweet to girls and savoury to boys. But if you looked at 1000 schools doing the same, you'd expect a 50/50 split between teachers who allocated sweet to the boys and those who allocated sweet to the girls. Would you not? Except, that's isnt the case where such studies have been done before. It's more like 90%+ assigning sweet (or the equivalent) to the girls.

DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 12:33

Oops. Sorry.

What do people think of this going on at my daughter's primary school?
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teaandkittens · 14/04/2016 12:32

I'm more offended by the "famous Britains"

WellErrr · 14/04/2016 12:31

Well, just because you are offended, does not mean that it is offensive.

PosieReturningParker · 14/04/2016 12:24

What's wrong with celebrating being British?

DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 12:24

I said that I am offended. Not that I am determined to be offended.

Offense is an involuntary emotional response. I am however not dead set on being offended at everything.

HTH

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Chlobee87 · 14/04/2016 12:22

"You seem determined to be offended by this" - "That's because I am. Sorry"

But then

"I am not professionally offended. It is very difficult to offend me"

Bit of a contradiction. I don't understand why, by your own admission, you would be "determined to be offended". Why not just take something at face value and decide it if genuinely bothers you or not rather than looking for something to be upset by? I just can't understand that mindset, I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just really don't get it.

NewStartNewName · 14/04/2016 12:21

Mini people don't give it any other thought as there's nothing to think about. They probably have their food in their classes (this is how it's done at my DCs school), so boy/girl is the easiest way to make sure they get a mix of food. It's nothing to do with anything being ingrained, it's just quick and easy.

AnyFucker · 14/04/2016 12:14

I would have swapped the girl/boy/sweet/savoury thing around too

MiniMover · 14/04/2016 11:56

NewName,

Mini one study doesn't mean most people. Everyone I know would not give it any further thought other than remembering to actually send the required food in.

That was precisely the point the study was making; that nobody would give it any further thought.

DoctorBeat · 14/04/2016 11:55

I'm most offended by the boy/girl thing if I'm honest.

I can't help it. My first gut reaction to this whole thing is "yuck". And I am not professionally offended. It is very difficult to offend me. However I do get offended by gender stereotyping and low level sexism.

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PresidentCJCregg · 14/04/2016 11:47

This exact thread is the reason I couldn't be in education. If someone came to me complaining about this I'd be inclined to run away. It's so...nothing.

WellErrr · 14/04/2016 11:47

Nativities are well offensive binary, didn't you know??
Diwali, Eid, Chinese New Year - fine!
Nativity with Jesus Mary and Joseph? Offensive to other religions!! You have to stick a load of weird characters in and do a completely different story, or you offend the professionally offended such as the OP

MrNoseybonk · 14/04/2016 11:47

Famous Britains? Famous Britons surely? I'd certainly be bringing that up. Pretty bad error on their part.

:) I, too, noticed this.
Our DC's school celebrates, Diwali, Eid, Chinese new year, despite having a very small (but not absent) number of Hindus, Moslems and Chinese, yet on 23rd April it has a "Spring Fair". I'm not nationalistic at all, but it is odd, don't you think?

KERALA1 · 14/04/2016 11:47

We are having a multi culturalism day. Wish we could swap op ours sound wish washy trying to be right on would much prefer the British one. Sad that anything British now is seen as negative / far right.

00100001 · 14/04/2016 11:46

It's not like the poster says "Girls must bring sweet things, because they are girls"

00100001 · 14/04/2016 11:45

Annoyed... BY WHAT???

Kidnapped · 14/04/2016 11:45

I'd be annoyed by it, OP. You are not alone.

The only saving grace is that the sweet things are more frequently shop-bought.
Any bets that loads of the boys will turn up with crisps? Or perhaps pot noodles?

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