The SNP and gender recognition

It was quoted earlier about under 16s being able to change gender with their parents permission. What about if you mix this with the named person stuff. Theoretically then if the parent was against their child changing gender, the NP could decide that was against their child's best interests and allow it? So little Chloe decides that she quite likes football, short hair and trousers and suddenly becomes officially a boy called Brian because her headmistress didn't want Chloe to not have her/his gender identity recognised? Even if Chloe may decide in a couple of years that actually she likes make up and pink and dresses?

I wonder if NS did this to get Kezias vote?

As for LGBT votes, this policy may well get the SNP T votes but not necessarily LGB ones. Lesbians disappeared under the trans bus long ago & gay men seem to be headed the same way.

The Times yesterday had a supportive editorial (print edition). For Ian MacEwan, I mean

I am a life long Guardian reader, but stopped due to anti- woman tone. Buying the Times was kind of an act of protest, and it has an anti-woman sleazy aspect in the magazine. But I agree on this one. As does the Free Church of Scotland. So odd company for me to normally keep! But historically, it was the religious right who actually argued the same as feminists as regards removing the sexual double standard (in relation to prostitution), so may be not such odd company.

To get back on track, seems Ian MacEwan (sp?) has been arguing that the nature of the self is biological, among other things, and that identity cannot be picked off a shelf. On phone, so cannot link.

However, yes, a lot of the supporters of both organisations can be utterly horrendous.

Apologies Palmer I didn't mean to misrepresent what you said.

Thanks Anthony, and no worries. We'll have to agree to disagree about whether UKIP and SNP are comparable in their awfulness. In my opinion UKIP gets precisely nothing right, whereas SNP does at least get some things right, if not everything by a long stretch.

Do you know much about the SNP Palmer or are you some one who lives in England and thinks they are lovely and fluffy not like those nasty Tories.

Its a brave new world

I shall just be mortally offended when they mislabel me.

Bombardier who will know what people label themselves as? Will you walk around with a badge on telling people?

If intersex people, like anyone else, wish to adopt a non binary label, that is 'fair enough'

It is absolutely not 'fair enough' for it to be used to label intersex people!

Darrowisred you can do all that without getting your bc changed surely. Will people be ask to provide their bc to prove their gender from here on in? Will they need to if this info is captured on the SNP ID database?

Does anyone care what anyone else identifies as?

I wouldn't imagine this would affect a huge amount of people in Scotland and is the SNP pandering to a couple of loud lobbying groups.

Apologies Palmer I didn't mean to misrepresent what you said. I should have added the word supporters after SNP and UKIP.

The SNP are just as objectionable as UKIP.

Not entirely what I said, Anthony.

You said:

I find it Strange that SNP supporters are so touchy when people criticise the SNP, I don't notice the same thing at all with any other party.

I replied:

UKIP are pretty similar.

By which I said that UKIP supporters are touchy when people criticise the party, nothing more.

I don't, for example think that the SNP is made up of middle class, golf club membership xenophobic homophobes, who have very 1950's views about what women should be doing and how anyone who isn't male and of Anglo-Saxon descent isn't actually fit to be called British the irony

The SNP is wrong on this, as they are on many things. They're also right about a lot of things too. UKIP on the other hand is wrong about pretty much everything.

What do you think my Agenda is Hirples? and what "smears" exactly?? Everything I have written is factual.

Interesting that you think the SNP behave like UKIP Palmer

If this law would be used for people with intersex conditions, fair enough. But if it's going to be used for people who are 'neither male nor female' in the sense that some days they wear trousers and other days dresses, or sometimes wear a suit and a bit of eyeliner, it's an embarrassment.

I've decided that fully embracing the madness might end it quicker. My biological sex cant change but my gender (aka personality? Feelings? Emotions attached to a stereotype?) can so i am going to play that for all its worth. Well done the snp fof subverting the trans agenda

Hirples I'm definitely not a slabber - if you think that you've got me completely wrong.

OH, and you can change your gender all you like, what you can't change is your sex.

I find it Strange that SNP supporters are so touchy when people criticise the SNP, I don't notice the same thing at all with any other party.

UKIP are pretty similar.

SNP were a protest vote, and a valid one. They'll do well in May, but hopefully Scotland will give itself a shake and vote more sensibly to get rid of the Tories in the next GE.