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"Cissexist" classics

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HemlockSolanum · 10/03/2016 13:50

Last night I dreamt that Little Women became a banned book due to being "TERFy"

So what other classics would fall foul?

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Lanark2 · 10/03/2016 19:56

So if you feel like a man, like women but like women's clothes, but don't change character its transvestite, if you feel like a man, like men, like women's clothes but don't change character its gay transvestite?
Then Lola is man who dresses like a woman, fancies men, but has a female persona. If that last line is 'glad she(Lola) is a man, then likes either penis or identifies as male,
If feels like a woman, but is a man and dresses like a man..is that a transvestite (from) transgender? Then if a man, dresses like a woman and identifies as a woman, is that 'full' transgender, then with the willy off is where confusion is no? With willy off it is either transsexual or just 'woman' or is it 'transwoman' meaning transsexual in this case, nor transgender?

MoonriseKingdom · 10/03/2016 19:43

By the politics of the time Lola was a transvestite but whose to say today that she wouldn't choose to be transgender. When transgender was far less socially acceptable I bet many dressed as women in a relatively safe environment (eg bar in Soho) but would dress as a man in their everyday life.

ShowMeTheWonder · 10/03/2016 18:57

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SquirmOfEels · 10/03/2016 18:51

Lowering the tone: Fanny Hill

(PS: Lola was a transvestitie, not a transgender person)

Lanark2 · 10/03/2016 18:39

What about Rod Jane and 'Freddie'

MoonriseKingdom · 10/03/2016 16:19

Enid Blyton was a repeat offender on that score. In Malory Towers there is a character called Wilhemina who insists on being called Bill but is made to go to a girls only school.

mupperoon · 10/03/2016 16:03

The Famous Five? George was continually misgendered, despite being allowed to use the boys' version of her name. But who cares, she started off a girl.

femfortheday · 10/03/2016 15:55

Inviting all women for smear tests, men for prostate checks, using the word 'breastfeeding', referring to 'breastfeeding mother's 'pregnant women'. Any mention of menstruation or reproductive health that isn't totally sex neutral.

Also-
The Women's Institute

MoonriseKingdom · 10/03/2016 14:44

Not quite the same but what about 'Lola' by The Kinks? Lots of correct uses of female pronouns. Bit of gender fluidity (girls will be boys and boys will be girls). But all gets a bit ambiguous at the end.
'I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man and so is Lola'.
Is Lola glad he is a man? Is Lola actually a man and she glad about it?
Great song though

Lanark2 · 10/03/2016 14:33

Is a cissexist someone who looks physically like a sexist as well as being one?

emwithme · 10/03/2016 14:30

The Turbulent Term of Tyke Tyler.

elQuintoConyo · 10/03/2016 14:26

Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret
Fanny by Gaslight
Portrait of a Lady
Mrs Dalloway

am I on the right track?

mollie123 · 10/03/2016 14:22

on books as OP referred to them :

The woman in White
The woman in black
A woman of no importance
The french lieutenant's woman
Women in Love
not to mention all the classic books with 'girl' in the title Smile - it does open a can of worms

mollie123 · 10/03/2016 14:13

how about all the songs with 'woman' in the title :

I’m Every Woman – Whitney Houston
You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman – Aretha Franklin
Oh, Pretty Woman – Roy Orbison
Black Magic Woman – Santana
I Am Woman – Helen Reddy
Man! I Feel Like A Woman – Shania Twain
No Woman, No Cry – Bob Marley
When A Man Loves A Woman – Percy Sledge
Woman – John Lennon

I am sure there are lots more.