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Corbyn - "I'm in favour of decriminalising the sex industry"

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IndominusRex · 04/03/2016 13:14

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/04/jeremy-corbyn-decriminalise-sex-industry-prostitution?CMP=share_btn_tw

Not a huge shock but still troubling to see him say it.

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Brazenhussy0 · 06/03/2016 00:15

Hello!
I’m a current sex worker and though I usually enjoy reading mumsnet rather than contributing, I feel I have to say something here before I implode in exasperated fury.

I've just posted this exact post on a similar thread elsewhere, and am quite frankly sick of repeating myself so forgive me if I come across as a bit aggressive. I also suspect I'm less formally educated than many of you so my post might read as being a bit blunt...
I also appreciate that my situation does not reflect that of all sex workers, but I wanted to share my experience and view to at least give a little more balance to the debate aside from the common narrative about prostitution.

There’s so much insulting, belittling, uninformed drivel in this thread already that I’m not entirely sure where to start, so I’m going to number what I want to say (for my own sake):

1.) I choose to sell sexual services. Please note, I do not sell my body (or any other part of myself). My body is still mine and, at the end of my working day, I merrily take it home with me to curl up in bed with my partner.
My body is not being ‘used’ by anyone but me. I repeat – I sell sexual services, not my body.
This distinction is extremely important and really needs to be hammered home to those outside of the sex industry.
Ideas about women ‘selling their bodies’ is exactly the kind of negative, socially ingrained, language used around sex work that lands sex workers with clients who feel like they own us in our entirety for their paid time, and that just isn’t the case.
We sell a physical and intimate service, not our bodies.

2.) I am not a drug user, I do not drink alcohol (been tee-total for years) and resent the insinuation that to be a sex worker involves some kind of substance abuse.

I enjoy sex immensely, I enjoy the money I earn, and I enjoy the freedom to set my own working hours or take holidays whenever I please.
I resent the idea that my chosen form of work could be taken from me (along with my autonomy over what I choose to do with my own body in the privacy of my own home) by a collection of uninformed, middle-class, moral crusaders who haven’t even bothered to listen to what the men and women working in this industry want or need, and are so far removed from the situation that they don’t even care what we feel about it anyway (in fact, our feelings seem to be brushed aside as an inconvenience).

These people, for their own ideological reasons, would see my safety reduced, my income removed and my autonomy squashed, and for what? So they can sleep well at night under the delusion that they’re being a good ‘feminist’?

3.) Not all clients are misogynistic, sleazy or harbouring a sense of entitlement. In fact, I’d go as far as saying I meet more men with sexual entitlement in my private life than I do in my working life.
Clients are as varied as any other random collection of men, few of them have much in common with each other, and their reasons for meeting with me are even more varied still.

Disabled clients, lonely single clients, experimental female clients, couples, ‘lads’ looking for no-strings fun, elderly widowers, carers of severely disabled spouses… the list is endless.
Often-times, the sex isn’t even the focus of a booking – the intimacy and closeness to another person is. My job is to make my client feel as amazing as possible, to build their self-esteem, distract them from their problems for an hour or two, to help them feel desired and attractive or simply have a laugh and some fun. It really isn’t as simple as a quick shag (though it can be that too sometimes!) and this really isn’t something you can understand unless you’ve visited an independent sex worker or worked as one yourself.
I hope me telling you now can help with that though…

4.) The Nordic model makes me very, very frightened. However, would it stop me from working in this industry? No, it would not.

Would the Nordic model make my job less safe?
Yes, of course it bloody would! And it takes a great deal of mental gymnastics (or deeply imbedded ideology against sex work) to come to any other conclusion.
Criminalising the clients would eliminate all the lovely, sweet men who come to visit me. None of them would continue to see me if it became illegal to do so.
However, do you really think criminalising the purchase of sex will stop someone from raping me? Robbing me? Assaulting me? Murdering me?
No, it wouldn’t. The men who could potentially do me harm would already be breaking the law by raping/robbing/assaulting/murdering me under our current laws around sex work, so why would an extra law stop them?
Criminalising the clients only removes the good, law-abiding and safe clients, leaving independent sex workers like me with the unlawful remainder.

Are you really willing to put my life at risk for your own moralistic ideology? Or take away my income? Or my right to decide what I do with my own body, behind closed doors and with both parties consenting?

5.) Trafficking is a red herring. We’ve been down this road several times already over the years and the fishing industry still beats the sex industry for the numbers of people trafficked into it.

6.) If sex work isn’t an industry, can I stop paying tax on my earnings please? Grin

7.) What are my suggestions as a sex worker?
Full decriminalisation. I currently work alone in my own flat but would be significantly safer if I could legally work with another lady on the premises or with my own hired security.

I’d also like to see a huge change in the way we discuss sex work/sex workers. If people stop treating us as though we are inherent victims then perhaps we might stop becoming actual victims.

PalmerViolet · 05/03/2016 23:50

"The Nurses Union"?

okkkk.

And please, just lol at the TUC. And if you don't understand why, I suggest you go back and do some reading. Same for Amnesty and the Greens.

And no, you don't get to tell women what counts as misogyny and what doesn't.

Edeline · 05/03/2016 23:22

Damn right. Sit back ladies...we have a man here to explain why he doesn't find the commercialisation of women's bodies troubling, so we probably shouldn't either. Thank goodness! I wouldn't have known what to think about it otherwise.

/ sarcasm

scallopsrgreat · 05/03/2016 23:16

Well you wouldn't. I don't think it's up to you to decide what is or is not misogynistic. But thanks for the input. We are definitely missing men's opinions on this subject.

VoyageOfDad · 05/03/2016 21:29

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GreenTomatoJam · 05/03/2016 14:32

goggles, obviously

GreenTomatoJam · 05/03/2016 14:31

Is there any other job where it's legal for someone to do their job as long as they are all alone with noone else present except their client, but if they have any colleagues with them they are all automatically committing a crime?

Name another 'job' which requires the level of exposure to disease with so little protection that prostitution requires? Anyone else dealing with body fluids, or close to clients faces wears gloves, googles, and masks. I doubt a prostitute requiring that would get much work (outside of very specialised circumstances).

Prostitution is not a job.

Holowiwi · 05/03/2016 14:24

If we were to go the criminalisation route I would want it across the board. Drug dealers often have bad childhoods, limited choices in life, pressured into selling by local gangs they are still arrested if caught.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/03/2016 13:43

The "prostitution is just another job" canard has been addressed on this thread and on many similar threads.

It isn't.

loucradr · 05/03/2016 13:38

SpeakNoWords, that didn't answer my question.

itllallbefine · 05/03/2016 13:19

Well by the same logic why should women who sell sex at all get off with it? Why not just advocate for full criminalisation?

I am in favour of full criminalisation.

SpeakNoWords · 05/03/2016 13:12

Prostitution is just a job is it? Exactly like any other?

loucradr · 05/03/2016 13:12

"but why should women who choose to run a brothel just get off with it"

Well by the same logic why should women who sell sex at all get off with it? Why not just advocate for full criminalisation?

loucradr · 05/03/2016 13:10

But if they choose to work together for safety or even just company why should they be penalised criminally?

Is there any other job where it's legal for someone to do their job as long as they are all alone with noone else present except their client, but if they have any colleagues with them they are all automatically committing a crime?

itllallbefine · 05/03/2016 13:00

Just a question if I may- do you think sexworkers should be arrested for "running a brothel" if there are 2+ of them in the same premise?

Yes, they should be. Obviously once they have been arrested then the situation can be analysed, but why should women who choose to run a brothel just get off with it, they aren't all victims although I accept the majority probably are.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/03/2016 12:52

I love the way brothels are promoted as some sort of cuddly cottage industry workers' collective as the solution to everything that is wrong with the "sex industry".

They aren't. I don't often say "rtft" as it strikes me as lazy and unnecessarily aggressive - but I'll make an exception here. The reasons why legal brothels do not solve anything have been covered.

loucradr · 05/03/2016 12:50

so you want them all to work alone then.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/03/2016 12:47

Just a question if I may- do you think sexworkers should be arrested for "running a brothel" if there are 2+ of them in the same premise?

Yes I do.

loucradr · 05/03/2016 12:41

Just a question if I may- do you think sexworkers should be arrested for "running a brothel" if there are 2+ of them in the same premise?

BarefootAcrossHotLegoPieces · 05/03/2016 12:38

Anyone want odds on Melissa Farley being mentioned in the next 3 posts?

loucradr · 05/03/2016 12:35

It's rich when feminists pretend to care about the welfare of sexworkers and advocate for the Nordic model (where brothels are still illegal and sexworkers still commit a crime for working in them), and then go all quiet when they are arrested.

BarefootAcrossHotLegoPieces · 05/03/2016 12:31

And again?

loucradr · 05/03/2016 12:29

The point is the prostitutes would not have been arrested at all if the model had been decriminalisation.

Are you happy with prostitutes being arrested for "running a brothel" just because there were 2 or more of them in a premise?

Decriminalisation is the only model where prostitutes do not face any prostitution-related charges.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/03/2016 12:07

What the article said was

"Three females were also arrested and interviewed for keeping a brothel."

You said "selling sex is still illegal under the Nordic model if prostitutes work together" . My understanding of the Nordic model is selling sex is not illegal but buying it is so it is irrelevant whether or not it happens in a brothel.

Selling and buying sex in the UK is not illegal-it is most of the circumstances which facilitate which are illegal; buying it in N . Ireland is. Brothels are illegal anywhere in the UK.

You will note I am using the word "brothel" as opposed to say a house "where prostitutes work together".

"Brothel" is quicker to type and I think more accurate.

BarefootAcrossHotLegoPieces · 05/03/2016 11:58

Back again, giasselo?

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