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Why not?

people don't do it, do they?

what if the material was ethically sourced? I'd argue it's better than an ipad, or slave labour chocolate.

"Yes, and it's possible to only eat responsibly sourced food. But it's not as fun, is it?"

Why not?

"Yes, and it's possible to only eat responsibly sourced food. But it's not as fun, is it?"

Yes, and it's possible to only eat responsibly sourced food. But it's not as fun, is it?

Who said anyone needs to give up wanking?

No one suggested giving up wanking. That's yet another misrepresentation.

It's perfectly possible to wank without porn.

I can't agree that giving up having a wank is very easy, actually. You must see that it is a greater biological urge than having chocolate spread on toast.

Some stuff is easier to give up than other stuff. Porn and diamonds should be no brainers.....

surely that depends on the person, no?

Do you have an ipad? Not buying apple is a no brainer too (for some).

Some stuff is easier to give up than other stuff. Porn and diamonds should be no brainers.....

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones; eating Nutella and drinking coffee, wearing Primark and diamonds, updating the internet on your mobile phone about what a holier than thou ethically sourced non-wanker you are.

We ALL contribute to the exploitation of other human beings. Nobody is better than anyone else because the pleasure they got out of it wasn't sexual. It's bad enough to do it out of gleeful consumerism.

But if you feel jealous, undermined, or weirded out, then focus on that and understanding and explaining why.

If you define 'harm' and 'abuse' as being sexual on camera in exchange for money, and define anyone doing this as 'vulnerable'. Then it's easier to make up sentences like 'men enjoy vulnerable women being abused and harmed'
You can do the same with any industry.

"Do you think it's ok to get turned on by watching women getting harmed?"

Are the "women getting harmed"? the actual women being photographed or women in general?

The women being photographed may not consider they are being harmed at all. They may be enthusiastic amateurs who enjoy exhibitionism. Their individual actions might well be/probably are harmful to women in general but then the question should be

"Do you think it's ok to get turned on by watching women doing something which promotes the objectificaion of women / is harmful to women" or something similar.

To deal with the OP's question I don't think it is necessary to consider much beyond what is her personal reaction to this.

Personally I'd be very unhappy about it and would reconsider my relationship.

a lot of "porn" is made by young women by themselves for no money, reddit is full of it, this is neither an industry or exploitative.

Noted, branleuse, but the discussion has become more general, as often happens.

However, I agree with They it might not be helpful to OP so I will hold off on posting further.

OP said it was soft porn and it was naked bodies. Not actually even people having actual sex

For me there is an inherent moral wrong. But that is my personal opinion.

I don't care whether other people do not share my moral standpoint. I do care if they are not bothered by the exploitative nature of the porn industry and the impact it has both on vulnerable women and on people's -particularly young people's- perceptions of sex.

Dervel, I don't think it's a "moral" wrong. I do think any person having sex which isn't through free choice will end up harmed by it, no matter how nice the environment and producers, and in many (I think most) cases, the environment is far from nice, given testimonies of porn performers (including those still staying in the industry)

Just for clarification is there an inherent moral wrong about pornography, or is the issue about how most pornography is produced?

Indeed that is important They.

Sorry OP, how are you doing?

Look i think we're losing sight of what's important here and that's how the OP feels about it.

The difference between porn and all those other things is that looking at naked women who aren't your wife affects your relationship with your wife.

OP, I understand where you're coming from and it's about how you feel about him doing this that is important.

Isn't it awful how rude and aggressive feminists always get on threads like these............

So is your position "porn that doesn't show penetration is ok, otherwise it isn't"?

Just trying to understand where you are coming from here.

Why should I answer a ridiculous rhetorical question that has f all to do with the OP ?

Again, itll, the question I asked was:

"Do you think it's ok to get turned on by watching women getting harmed?"

At no point did I say that all porn involved penetration or that all porn involved rape.

Fancy answering my question, or do you prefer to make up things I haven't said and respond to those?